wait, this can't be right

[big teej]

according to the SRD a heavy warhorse is 450 gp

according to the arms and equipment guide a rhino mount is a total of 250 gp


is this right?

what am I missing?

[Flickerdart]

A&EG is a 3.0 book, IIRC, and would thus have some discrepancies. See if you can find the 3.0 stats and costs for the two animals.

[Jack_Simth]

what am I missing?

The realization that WotC is not particularly grand at editing?

[Crow]

according to the SRD a heavy warhorse is 450 gp

according to the arms and equipment guide a rhino mount is a total of 250 gp


is this right?

what am I missing?

Is it a War-Trained Rhino? Check for the war-beast template. There is a statistical difference.

[olelia]

I believe it is because the Warhorse is pretrained, which apparently costs a lot.

[big teej]

Is it a War-Trained Rhino? Check for the war-beast template. There is a statistical difference.

its simply given as a mount, it includes cost for the mount and training...


we play a combination of 3.0 and 3.5

[Yuki Akuma]

Training an animal for war is not the same as training an animal to be a mount.

[tyckspoon]

according to the SRD a heavy warhorse is 450 gp

according to the arms and equipment guide a rhino mount is a total of 250 gp


is this right?

what am I missing?

The answer is that the A&E rules for these things are massively cheap. That's really all there is to it. I believe the same or similar rules let you buy a war-trained T-Rex for a few thousand GP as well.

[HunterOfJello]

Rhino mounts are cheaper because all realistic adventurers prefer riding around on a giant Rhinoceros than a tall pony. The exception are bards and wizards who can't handle the awesomeness of a true beast of burden and will shell out the extra cash for expensive looking mount.

[Shpadoinkle]

Bear in mind a ten foot pole also costs more than a ten foot ladder.

So... yeah, it would appear that WotC is just bad at editing and consistency.

[big teej]

Rhino mounts are cheaper because all realistic adventurers prefer riding around on a giant Rhinoceros than a tall pony. The exception are bards and wizards who can't handle the awesomeness of a true beast of burden and will shell out the extra cash for expensive looking mount.

I like this answer the best


on a semi related note

can you get a bullette for a mount?

[Sindri]

can you get a bullette for a mount?

Yes, but you get a face full of rock when it dives.

[big teej]

Yes, but you get a face full of rock when it dives.

they have a saddle for burrowing creatures

[KillianHawkeye]

Is it a War-Trained Rhino? Check for the war-beast template. There is a statistical difference.

It is actually described as being a war rhino, and mentions its willingness to charge enemies.

I'd also like to note that a heavy warhorse is 400 gp, not 450.

[Crow]

Well...

I guess for the horse you're just paying a mark-up to the breeders.

[Coidzor]

The answer is that the A&E rules for these things are massively cheap. That's really all there is to it. I believe the same or similar rules let you buy a war-trained T-Rex for a few thousand GP as well.

The AE&G rules are the only ones extant for a lot of them so they're still in effect in 3.X due to the grandfather clause. Also, you're thinking of the Warbeast Template from MM2 which was errata'd/updated for 3.5 but mostly left untouched and not-reissued for 3.5 IIRC.

The problem being, they refused to even give any kind of guidelines for prices of a lot of creatures for one reason or another, and most DMs are incredibly reticent to even try eyeballing some idea of pricing for such things in their games even if they'd allow the creatures to be used.

Though I was pretty sure AE&G gave rhinos a price of 600 GP.

Edit: Huh. 200 for a young rhino, 50 for training costs.

and 775 for a warbeast one ala MM2...

[arguskos]

Though I was pretty sure AE&G gave rhinos a price of 600 GP.

Nope. To purchase a young rhino is 200 gp. Training is another 50 gp. Notably, it's implied that the "young" designation implies it needs to grow and age before being usable in combat, though it doesn't explicitly state as such (but it's a reasonable conclusion, given that "young" in other entries means hatchlings, seeds [for the tendriculos] and other such things). Also of note is that no price for an adult rhino is given.

Reading this, my conclusion is that the given prices are for young that are to be trained and grown for a long period of time, so that you can breed your own rhino-riding deathsquad. I do wonder why no adult prices are given, but there it is.

[Coidzor]

Nope. To purchase a young rhino is 200 gp. Training is another 50 gp. Notably, it's implied that the "young" designation implies it needs to grow and age before being usable in combat, though it doesn't explicitly state as such (but it's a reasonable conclusion, given that "young" in other entries means hatchlings, seeds [for the tendriculos] and other such things). Also of note is that no price for an adult rhino is given.

I think the standard is a year for when they didn't give a specific one by the 3.0 rules that governed rearing an animal at the time of its publication so...

Wonder where the heck that 600 gp figure came from tho. x.x

[ericgrau]

can you get a bullette for a mount?

I'm in a campaign where someone's old character started breeding bullettes mounts. Then they ate all the horses and now in the current campaign thousands of years later no one is sure what a horse even looks like anymore.

By the SRD a heavy horse raised trained for riding is 200 gp. Training for war for 450 gp is something else. A trained horse is not automatically trained for war. Not that I trust the arms and equipment guide 250 gp still seems a bit cheap.

[JaronK]

Note that in 3.0, mounts were stupidly cheap. See the MMII Warbeast template for an example.

JaronK

[Coidzor]

Note that in 3.0, mounts were stupidly cheap. See the MMII Warbeast template for an example.

JaronK

Whereas in 3.5 they're largely not given any pricing guideline other than Warbeast if they aren't called out specifically as having a price, and then only a pittance of creatures are.

[JaronK]

Exactly. As such, animals in 3.5 almost always use the 3.0 pricing... meaning warhorses make no sense. You could just as easily get a Warbeast Desmoderu War Bat instead.

JaronK

[FelixG]

Exactly. As such, animals in 3.5 almost always use the 3.0 pricing... meaning warhorses make no sense. You could just as easily get a Warbeast Desmoderu War Bat instead.

JaronK

Sadly the average characters head would explode from that much awesome.

[JaronK]

I played a Whispergnome Factotum with a Warbeast Desmoderu Hunting Bat at level 3 or 4. It was REALLY silly. The bat did everything in combat while I just hung on for the ride. I think it might even have been Magebreed.

JaronK

[Signmaker]

Note that in 3.0, mounts were stupidly cheap. See the MMII Warbeast template for an example.

JaronK

TeeheeHydra?
TeeheeSoarwhale?

[Coidzor]

Were hydras beasts rather than magical beasts? Didn't think those were obtainable via the vanilla warbeast template. At least they realized things would get ridonkulous if they let magical beasts go for that cheap.

[Acanous]

Jaron, I wish my DMs would let me get away with that XD
Over here, I got smacked with a nerfbat at lv 8 for playing a tiefling Wizard/Master Specialist.

20 stat point decrease and restricted to core.
>.<
Ah well. Still a wizard, so...

[JaronK]

But a Roc is an animal, and you can get a Warbeast at like level 5 or so. It's that silly. Suddenly, every encounter is indoors underground!

JaronK

[FelixG]

But a Roc is an animal, and you can get a Warbeast at like level 5 or so. It's that silly. Suddenly, every encounter is indoors underground!

JaronK

Then at level 6: "Screw you all, I am taking leadership and making my own underground dungeon!"

[Coidzor]

I always forget that because they weren't listed underneath the animals section of the SRD.

...Still have no idea why they made 'em count as animals rather than magical beasts, though.