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    Default what exactly do they mean by pick

    im having a hard time picturing what a pick is(the weapon)

    are they talking like a mining pick or an ice pick or either, cause both seem like rather silly weapons.


    not that it matters but the pick i am referring to is from here

    http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/...aponCategories

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    Default Re: what exactly do they mean by pick

    The Player's Handbook has an image of weapons with labels on them, and it appears they were thinking of the mining variety.

    Edit: Also, "A light or heavy pick resembles a miner’s pick but is specifically designed for war."
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    Quote Originally Posted by OracleofWuffing View Post
    The Player's Handbook has an image of weapons with labels on them, and it appears they were thinking of the mining variety.

    Edit: Also, "A light or heavy pick resembles a miner’s pick but is specifically designed for war."
    ohh thanks, a mining pick still seems like a silly weapon but i guess it makes more sense than an ice pick XD

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    Here’s a bit on real life picks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseman's_pick
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    Default Re: what exactly do they mean by pick

    dnd and fantasy works in general tend to have a very poor idea of how real weapons look/work so the above description is how the real weapon works and looks but dnd has basically decided a military pick is also a mining tool.

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    Default Re: what exactly do they mean by pick

    See also: the Spiked Chain. Or the Dire Flail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awa View Post
    dnd and fantasy works in general tend to have a very poor idea of how real weapons look/work so the above description is how the real weapon works and looks but dnd has basically decided a military pick is also a mining tool.
    Wikipedia also said a horseman's pick is curved like a pickaxe, so at least the shape is similar. The link also said that one is interchangeable with warhammer, though that's probably because the other side is a hammer. The D&D ones don't let you multi-tool your weapons like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Glyphstone View Post
    See also: the Spiked Chain. Or the Dire Flail.
    And the warhammer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ericgrau View Post
    Wikipedia also said a horseman's pick is curved like a pickaxe, so at least the shape is similar. The link also said that one is interchangeable with warhammer, though that's probably because the other side is a hammer. The D&D ones don't let you multi-tool your weapons like that.
    Real warhammers don't actually look like the big sledgehammers or giant mallets you see in D&D or other fantasy games. Real warhammers were spiked like the "horseman's pick".

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    I didn't think the D&D warhammer was that big, only the WoW one. I thought the D&D warhammer was like the horseman's pick with a more useless pointy end instead of the pick side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Glyphstone View Post
    See also: the Spiked Chain. Or the Dire Flail.
    Or the gnomish pick and -my all-time most despised weapon- the mercurial swords.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Glyphstone View Post
    See also: the Spiked Chain. Or the Dire Flail.
    Or the sling. 3E's stats for a sling were not based on a military sling but on a Dennis the Menace sling.

    Also also, double swords. Heck, double anything
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Glyphstone View Post
    See also: the Spiked Chain. Or the Dire Flail.
    I just recently found out spiked chains do exist. However, they have only a single spike at the end of the chain and I don't think it makes for a good tripping weapon.

    The sling should deal at least 1d6 points of damage and tripple damage on a critical hit. That way it would probably be as useful as actual military slings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yora View Post
    I just recently found out spiked chains do exist. However, they have only a single spike at the end of the chain and I don't think it makes for a good tripping weapon.
    Chain Whip is pretty close to how it's portrayed.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqwypp4saEY
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLrO9hLuELc

    It looks awesome... However, I've been thinking that the Meteor Hammer (blunt) and Rope Dart (penetrating) are closer to how Spiked Chain is supposed to be used - you can grab it anywhere along the the flexible rope, and twist it around yourself in weird and cool-looking angles, sometimes throwing it further (achieving reach). They're more flexible than the chain whip, and offer much longer reach.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVcSpNXWYUM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hOL8juiy1w

    Based on the number of those iterative attacks, I must conclude that the main guy is epic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Glyphstone View Post
    See also: the Spiked Chain. Or the Dire Flail.
    Gyrespike. IIRC, from the Arms and Equipment Guide.

    It's like a sword with a flail attached to the handle.
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    Spiked chains do exist, but they're not a very viable weapon, especially not for use in close confines with allies nearby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hewhosaysfish View Post
    Gyrespike. IIRC, from the Arms and Equipment Guide.

    It's like a sword with a flail attached to the handle.
    Except that's actually closer to a kusari-gama than the actual kusari-gama stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endoperez View Post
    Based on the number of those iterative attacks, I must conclude that the main guy is epic!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLoE6zTZyyU
    He's using Whirlwind attack, notice how he (rarely at least) attacks the same person more than once.


    Ramhammers are pretty ridiculous too, I love using them in DnD, but I can't imagine it being remotely possible... especially if I'm correct in my thinking that you can still push them back more than 5 ft with it if your strength check is high enough...
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