[3.5e Bloodline Guide] What in the Nine Hells is a Bloodline?

[EdroGrimshell]

My, I was double swordsage'd. And I don't think I've actually seen any of your work - you really oughta get an Extended Signature if you have more than three or so things posted. I'd be interested to take a look at what you've made.

Check my sig now

[Merchant]

I'm not sure if there has been much talk about the Vampiric bloodline but when I think about the idea of blood drain I think that the Blood King with a Vampiric Bloodline Drain 'gift'. Temporarily gain a bloodline that doesn't count against your bloodline limit, but maybe only maxing out at a total of temp bloodlines equaling level/4

[Kobold-Bard]

I have 3 questions for you Welknair:

Have other people been making Bloodlines?
Is there a collated list of such Bloodlies?
Can you make an Incarnum Bloodline (pretty please)?

I also have a reiteration of how much I like your Bloodlines:

A lot

[Welknair]

I have 3 questions for you Welknair:

Have other people been making Bloodlines?
Is there a collated list of such Bloodlies?
Can you make an Incarnum Bloodline (pretty please)?

I also have a reiteration of how much I like your Bloodlines:

A lot

1. Yes, they have. I'd suggest flipping through the other pages of this thread looking for hyper links. To my knowledge, any bloodline not created by myself has been linked somewhere in this thread.
2. No, there is not such a list as of now. I do however have an idea for another thread "Tome of Blood", which would include links to all bloodline material, made by myself and others, as well as additional information on their role in the world. I even came up with rules for how Bloodlines Heredity and mixing works, which I'm planning on posting.
3. I believe that Pyromancer made one. I've never used Incarnum myself, and as such it is somewhat difficult to judge the exact balance level, but it seems decent and the other 'brewers had a healthy discussion about it. The Soulbred, I think it was.

And I'm glad you like em.

Have you checked out the Blood King, the Bloodline Base Class I'll be playing in the Homebrewer's campaign?

[Pyromancer999]

Have other people been making Bloodlines?

I have. I made an Incarnum bloodline(linked to by Welknair), and also two Weapons of Legacy-themed bloodlines.

[flabort]

I made a pretty bad construct themed one. I didn't have much to work with, but I didn't do a good job with what I had.

I also made a race that gets two major lines (or 8 minor ones with Welknair's mudblood line), that one I actually like.
Not much room to take Blood King levels, though. 10 at the most, if you want to avoid XP penalties. Which effectively gives the character 3 more intermediate lines, or six minor lines. Which is not as good as a blood king 20

How many bloodlines have you "Finished", but not posted yet, welknair?

[Welknair]

How many bloodlines have you "Finished", but not posted yet, welknair?

The Blood Chameleon is just about done. There's one or two values that may need tweaking, but hopefully PEACHing will help with that.

I'm one ability away from having the Destined Protector done.

The Family Business Heir and the Tower of Knowledge both have about half the required Specials.

And I have a ton of ideas for bloodlines which I haven't yet put on my to-do list or earnestly started.


Lastly I've been coming up with ideas for the Tome of Blood, which I've mentioned a couple of times. It'd be, among other things, a compilation of links to bloodline-related brewing, much as Owthro has his thread for derivative material. It would additionally include other information I don't know where to put, such as my genealogy system or the "Blooded Beast" idea. I also have ideas for a chain of feats for spellcasters starting with "Blood Magic" and all with the [Blood] tag. Among other things, you'd be able to use the blood of creatures to empower your spells, with higher-HD creatures and those with Bloodlines providing more of a bonus. And now that I think about it, I should probably consult with Pyro on that one, as he's the resident feat-chain expert..

But yeah. Ideas flying everywhere.


And I'm actively working on the rewrites for the magic systems in the game I'm developing. Players recently had a phenomenal combat. I love it.

[GunbladeKnight]

Saw your link somewhere and it got me re-interested in bloodlines. I thought they were neat when I first saw UA, but when I mentioned them to my DM he said they were kind of weak for what you give up, so I forgot about them. But your Blade-Child and Name Given inspired me to create my own series. Here is the first:
Child of Now

[Merchant]

What is rhe family business and tower of knowledge bloodlines about? Is the destined protector based on the fatekeeper class?

I hope the business is about making money.

[Welknair]

What is rhe family business and tower of knowledge bloodlines about? Is the destined protector based on the fatekeeper class?

I hope the business is about making money.

The Family Bussiness Heir was actually inspired by a character in my first play-by-post game. One of the players had his character be a part-time construction worker. He wanted to have a bloodline, but the closest was Tinkerer. The entire fluff was "Son, you come from a long line of construction Workers". It was too good not to use eventually. And yes, earning money is a primary feature.

Tower of Knowledge is a know-it-all class, getting something akin to Bardic Knowledge pretty early on.

Destined Protector is a tank. Lots of protect-y powers, such as ones that allow you to split damage with nearby allies, switch places with them if they're in danger, etc.

[Pyromancer999]

The Family Bussiness Heir was actually inspired by a character in my first play-by-post game. One of the players had his character be a part-time construction worker. He wanted to have a bloodline, but the closest was Tinkerer. The entire fluff was "Son, you come from a long line of construction Workers". It was too good not to use eventually. And yes, earning money is a primary feature.

Tower of Knowledge is a know-it-all class, getting something akin to Bardic Knowledge pretty early on.

Destined Protector is a tank. Lots of protect-y powers, such as ones that allow you to split damage with nearby allies, switch places with them if they're in danger, etc.

I think I just had a nerdgasm. These concepts sound most delightful and I look forward to seeing them soon.

[Merchant]

You mean this Heir would be for the profession(X) skill. Know it all would be knowledge(X) [or all]? I think your next thought would be for the perfom(X) skill, no?!?

[Kobold-Bard]

You mean this Heir would be for the profession(X) skill. Know it all would be knowledge(X) [or all]? I think your next thought would be for the perfom(X) skill, no?!?

Master Mime Bloodline!!!

[GunbladeKnight]

New bloodline: The Talented. XD

[Merchant]

lol @ Kobold-Bard and Master Mime.

I smiled at first just reading it but then I remembered Welknair's little quote.

"-fluff was "Son, you come from a long line of construction Workers". "

Then I put the two together trying to picture a Mime father telling his Mime son the very same thing. Or in fact an entire mime family (seeing as how they have Mimer's blood running through them veins).

Anywho, @ Welknair. What kind of abilities have you come up with the Heir?

Question. If you have dragon descendent bloodline are you considered "dragon-blooded" sub-type?
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On another note. I'm sure you have thought of using the standard "blood" class ability that one sees quite often (meaning making weapons or armour out of your blood. If you did you obviously decided to leave it out. I was just wondering if you would consider it again.

Maybe Pyromancer could make a chain of feats for it. I kind of like the idea from the Amechra's Wanderler (sp?) class that give you bonuses against the same bloodline. So if you do make a blood weapon it maybe gets bane for that bloodline (you know your blood's weakness and you can creat "anti-bloodline" antibody or something [another feat?])

[Amechra]

Random idea: a set of weapon enhancements that function by having a person with a bloodline bleed on them, giving a different effect based off of the bleeder.

[flabort]

Or a Bloodline Scion class, with one or more Legendary weapons for it, with some morphic abilities based on the bloodline?

Alright. Race ya to make it?
Never mind. Too much on my plate. I'll just use the Battle Scion, and make some Legendary Weapons based on Bloodlines for it.

[Welknair]

You mean this Heir would be for the profession(X) skill. Know it all would be knowledge(X) [or all]? I think your next thought would be for the perfom(X) skill, no?!?

Yes, the Heir focuses on Profession. I was planning on the Tower of Knowledge being everything. I hadn't even considered a Perform based one..

Anywho, @ Welknair. What kind of abilities have you come up with the Heir?

Question. If you have dragon descendent bloodline are you considered "dragon-blooded" sub-type?
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On another note. I'm sure you have thought of using the standard "blood" class ability that one sees quite often (meaning making weapons or armour out of your blood.

1. The most basic is giving boosts to the skill. I also have ones that allow you to inherit a small team of workers, one that allows you to barge into about anywhere and demand a job, etc..

2. You could rule that. I haven't dealt a lot with the draconic feats and things requiring that specific subtype, but it would make sense.

3. Never even heard of that ability Would you mind enlightening me? What book is it found in?

Random idea: a set of weapon enhancements that function by having a person with a bloodline bleed on them, giving a different effect based off of the bleeder.

Sounds very cool.

Or a Bloodline Scion class, with one or more Legendary weapons for it, with some morphic abilities based on the bloodline?

Alright. Race ya to make it?
Never mind. Too much on my plate. I'll just use the Battle Scion, and make some Legendary Weapons based on Bloodlines for it.

Ah, the Scions. Used those in my last D&D campaign. A set of Legendary Weapons based on the bloodlines would be very neat.

[flabort]

Ah, the Scions. Used those in my last D&D campaign. A set of Legendary Weapons based on the bloodlines would be very neat.

The first one I'm working on is based off of Hero-Born (If that's all right), and works with any lineage within that line. (Battle Scion)
I'll be working on one based on inherit next. (Battle Scion)
I don't have any ideas yet for one that works with multiple bloodlines, but assuming the Chameleon line is out by then, I'll use that next (Also battle scion)
Then Half-bloods (faith scion), Magyk touched (spell scion), glamerkin (spell scion), and then something for the swift scion. I'm not sure which.

I assume you're OK with me using your bloodlines for these, since you seem otherwise ok with using them for other things, but if you want me to not use yours, I'll stop.

Now, if anyone wants to do any weapons for the one's I've listed, before I get to them, go ahead. I'm taking on a big load by deciding to do this.

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I was wondering if you or anyone else was planning on making a PrC for the Blood King. And what the sub-theme might be.
I was thinking one PrC might focus on one line, to the point that it can put more points into it that it has character levels.

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What happens when you take a bloodline beyond 20? It'd be interesting to see epic bloodlines, starting at level 21, going to level 40+. This would be a project and a half beyond bloodlines, though, and we probably won't see anyone making them for several weeks/months.

[tonystony]

I haven't read previous posts, but honestly this will show you all you have to know.http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/bloodlines.html

[Cieyrin]

I haven't read previous posts, but honestly this will show you all you have to know.http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/bloodlines.html

*facepalm* It's linked in the first post already, as well as the other changes Welknair has already talked about.

[Pyromancer999]

I haven't read previous posts, but honestly this will show you all you have to know.http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/bloodlines.html

You really should. He's already linked this.

[flabort]

As Cieyrin + Pyromancer999 said, it's already linked in the first post. And Welknair has already explained what's presented there, and what's different in his lines.

He's not actually asking "What is a bloodline?", he's using it as a title for an extensive explanation, saying "This is a bloodline, and it does this and this and this."

[Welknair]

I haven't read previous posts, but honestly this will show you all you have to know.http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/bloodlines.html

There's nothing to say that hasn't already been said... But yeah. I know.


Tip: If you're too lazy to read even the first post of a topic, don't post in it. You have a decent chance of making yourself look like an idiot. I know. I've done it.

[Merchant]

Using blood as a weapon I've seen from not a book but different prestige classes. Granted a few might have come from DnD Wiki. In regards to your class though. Maybe the Blood King could simply use his/hers BP to create a weapon or armour.

http://www.mangareader.net/blood-soul/1/27

(Just quick info on this manga. Main guy has been killing people with his sword and the blood of his victims soaks into his sword and creates a tribal like design on it. This page and the few following it simply shows the applications he uses for his blood. Another note this guy is a vampire and one of his soon to be victims calls him "Blood Ruler" which struck accord with this class)
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In regards to Amechra's suggestion it sounds similar but alot more complex and diverse than the same abilities. (and when I say complex and diverse, I mean more insteresting)

As to Amechra's or the scion that was mentioned earlier. I find it very cool (even if the weapon is not made of blood itself) if one can summon a weapon from one's own blood. Gives a new meaning for Legacy Weapon, don't you think.(passed down from one generation to the next In The Blood!!)

[EdroGrimshell]

Using blood as a weapon I've seen from not a book but different prestige classes. Granted a few might have come from DnD Wiki. In regards to your class though. Maybe the Blood King could simply use his/hers BP to create a weapon or armour.

http://www.mangareader.net/blood-soul/1/27

(Just quick info on this manga. Main guy has been killing people with his sword and the blood of his victims soaks into his sword and creates a tribal like design on it. This page and the few following it simply shows the applications he uses for his blood. Another note this guy is a vampire and one of his soon to be victims calls him "Blood Ruler" which struck accord with this class)
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In regards to Amechra's suggestion it sounds similar but alot more complex and diverse than the same abilities. (and when I say complex and diverse, I mean more insteresting)

As to Amechra's or the scion that was mentioned earlier. I find it very cool (even if the weapon is not made of blood itself) if one can summon a weapon from one's own blood. Gives a new meaning for Legacy Weapon, don't you think.(passed down from one generation to the next In The Blood!!)

why not make it a PrC and feat chain?

[Morph Bark]

As to Amechra's or the scion that was mentioned earlier. I find it very cool (even if the weapon is not made of blood itself) if one can summon a weapon from one's own blood. Gives a new meaning for Legacy Weapon, don't you think.(passed down from one generation to the next In The Blood!!)

...I just had an idea that will take from an old competition-winning class of mine, many physical-combat-based 'brews, and nearly every bloodline created here so far.

Even though my experience with bloodlines is severely limited.

Thank you Pyro for the informative PM.

[Pyromancer999]

In regards to Amechra's suggestion it sounds similar but alot more complex and diverse than the same abilities. (and when I say complex and diverse, I mean more insteresting)

As to Amechra's or the scion that was mentioned earlier. I find it very cool (even if the weapon is not made of blood itself) if one can summon a weapon from one's own blood. Gives a new meaning for Legacy Weapon, don't you think.(passed down from one generation to the next In The Blood!!)

I have already made a Weapons/Monsters of Legacy bloodline. Still, blood doesn't factor, so it'd be interesting to see something like this.

Even though my experience with bloodlines is severely limited.

Thank you Pyro for the informative PM.

No problem. And I'll be willing to contribute any knowledge I have on bloodlines, as I've made a couple myself.

[Welknair]

...I just had an idea that will take from an old competition-winning class of mine, many physical-combat-based 'brews, and nearly every bloodline created here so far.

Even though my experience with bloodlines is severely limited.

Thank you Pyro for the informative PM.

No problem. And I'll be willing to contribute any knowledge I have on bloodlines, as I've made a couple myself.

I have no clue what you're talking about, but I certainly look forward to seeing the result.

[TravelLog]

I think he's making a Hemoscribe PrC that uses blood from bloodlines somehow.