Phantom of the Opera Werewolf V - The Horror Game thread

[Internet Flea]

Still, wouldn't the wolves simply target the real one from you/GB and the baner would have to decide on who to bane, incluiding Lemons (who if he were to die I'd have to claim in the thread anyway). That would be too risky to have the seer killed, IMO.

Well, night 1 made me think the wolves wouldn't actually take a shot at me, plus I didn't know I was the Seer.

[Gray Mage]

Well, night 1 made me think the wolves wouldn't actually take a shot at me, plus I didn't know I was the Seer.

Well, that's because only you were outed for the baner to protect, now there's you and Grimm Grue. To do what you've thought of I think I'd have been better to keep quiet about GB for another day. That way you'd be likely to be baned again and wouldn't have to worry about that.

Edit: Note, the main reason I claimed is because I think the villagers shold be aware that they're risking the seer, not possibly the fool. That changes things.

[TBFProgrammer]

Wow, you guys really rely on seers a lot, don't you? It would have been far better to just lynch Grue Bait as the more suspicious one than dragging two more power roles out in the open. Sigh...

And Gray, it doesn't change much, since he is already out in the open, we have to know which one is the real seer. We either have to make that decision as a group or put it on the baner. If the baner targets the wrong seer claimant, the seer will be just as dead. I like the group's chances a little better (if the wolves try to pull anything, they will lead us right to them, and that is worth risking the seer for).

Further, a lynch wagon gives us more to analyze, which is more important with the seer at risk.

[Gray Mage]

Wow, you guys really rely on seers a lot, don't you? It would have been far better to just lynch Grue Bait as the more suspicious one than dragging two more power roles out in the open. Sigh...

Are you talking about me and banjo? Because while I can see a case being made that banjo didn't need to claim (not that the day baner is that important of a role), the fool is, well, useless. Worse then useless since his main thing is that the seer won't know he is the seer. Frankly, it's a villager (that can get somene good mistakenly lynched) with a fancy name. And with the seer in the open it's not like the wolves would risk not killing them or even scrying them. I'm sure they'd soon know if the seer in the open is the seer or the fool really soon anyway.

And Gray, it doesn't change much, since he is already out in the open, we have to know which one is the real seer. We either have to make that decision as a group or put it on the baner. If the baner targets the wrong seer claimant, the seer will be just as dead. I like the group's chances a little better (if the wolves try to pull anything, they will lead us right to them, and that is worth risking the seer for).

Further, a lynch wagon gives us more to analyze, which is more important with the seer at risk.

Which is basicaly what I said (letting it depend on the baner only is worse then a lynch). What's your point?

[TBFProgrammer]

the fool is, well, useless.

You need to look at some more of Ramsus' games. I think the most recent YOW was one where he led town as the fool.

Which is basicaly what I said (letting it depend on the baner only is worse then a lynch). What's your point?

The point is that I skimmed a massive discussion in a short time and missed an argument. Sorry.

[Internet Flea]

Well, that's because only you were outed for the baner to protect, now there's you and Grimm Grue. To do what you've thought of I think I'd have been better to keep quiet about GB for another day. That way you'd be likely to be baned again and wouldn't have to worry about that.

Edit: Note, the main reason I claimed is because I think the villagers shold be aware that they're risking the seer, not possibly the fool. That changes things.

I knew it was Grue when Lemons said he knew the Seer; I figured the Baner did too. And if the wolves hit the baned target they lose their guy for nothing so I thought they were playing it safe and trying to wait it out.

Fool is not useless, it's good for claiming a role and for finding the Seer to act as proxy.

[Gray Mage]

You need to look at some more of Ramsus' games. I think the most recent YOW was one where he led town as the fool.

I think you're confusing things. The fool as a role is mostly useless. His only use is to be an uncontested town after he finds out his role (like Ramsus did). However, the player of the fool isn't useless like Ramsus proved (or at least I'd like to think I'm not too ). The ability to lead the town is not dependent of him being the fool, he could have done the same thing as network cleared villager.

Having items is a bonus, of course.

[bladescape]

"Grue Bait Indeed, has done something quite wrong,
To attempt to deceive in this house of song,
To think that WE would believe such outrageous lies,
It's like he thinks we're all bandwagoning flies!"

Terreur's own brain added on another line,
For I deceived the villagers perfectly fine,
Last time they didn't have a clue,
Rather than this outrageous grue.

(I haven't been on, unfortunantly. But either way, I believe we've got our wolf. Although Banjo claiming is NOT ideal. Gray Mage does have the ability to die without worrying everyone. But do remember that Banjo's death will stop us from getting our special victory. You know, the one which relies on both Raoul and Christine surviving.

But what's done is done, I guess.)

[52.5 Lemons]

Well, this is it. Hopefully we get a good outcome. If not, we are pretty much going to be wiped out of power roles as they slowly get night killed away.

[Penguinator]

I think you're confusing things. The fool as a role is mostly useless.

A lot of it boils down to A) who's playing the Fool and B) which game it is. As Gray Mage says, Ramsus made a nice fool in YOW. The other thing to consider is that not all games use 0% Fool accuracy. Others have much better chances of scrying correctly. Some use 50/50, and I believe I actually saw a game where the Fool had more than a 50% chance of being right.

[Gray Mage]

A lot of it boils down to A) who's playing the Fool and B) which game it is. As Gray Mage says, Ramsus made a nice fool in YOW. The other thing to consider is that not all games use 0% Fool accuracy. Others have much better chances of scrying correctly. Some use 50/50, and I believe I actually saw a game where the Fool had more than a 50% chance of being right.

Actually, if it were 0% of accuracy, the fool could be usefull, granted that you could exclude correctly one role. The problem is when the result is random, but not necessarily wrong, since you can't conclude anything from that.

Oh, and bladescape: Glad to know I'd/will be missed if/when I die.

[Internet Flea]

A lot of it boils down to A) who's playing the Fool and B) which game it is. As Gray Mage says, Ramsus made a nice fool in YOW. The other thing to consider is that not all games use 0% Fool accuracy. Others have much better chances of scrying correctly. Some use 50/50, and I believe I actually saw a game where the Fool had more than a 50% chance of being right.

Ramsus also made a nice vanillager in Classic, so that pretty much means nothing.
0% accuracy is more useful than 50%, at least if you know about it. 0% would mean a player scried as wolf would be cleared, 50% means it's still a coin toss. (In fact anything between 0 and 100 makes things a lot harder.)

[52.5 Lemons]

Am I mistaken in thinking that there should have been a narration by now?

[Zjoot]

A lot of people aren't always on on the weekends.

[52.5 Lemons]

A lot of people aren't always on on the weekends.

And now that you mention it, I remember one of the narrators commenting about how he would be late on "Sunday's update" so that could be this one.

[ThePhantom]

End of Night 2

The members of the cast and audience stand and think things through. Then one person claims to be Madame Giry.

"You are not Madame Giry, I am!"
"No you are not!"

The debate goes back and forth, then the peoples trapped in the Opera House throw up their hands. Then with a speech in ryhme, the audience decides, that the bait for Grues.

"Clever folk you are indeed,
but go quietly will I not!"

Grue reveals a set of large teeths and lunges at the cast. Chairs are thrown, and the members of the audience who brought weapons to the Opera house move to protect the others. The grue rips at them, but in the end a sword thrust through the heart ends the beast.

Summary: Grue Bait was lynched, he was a shadow.
Night 2 begins and ends in twenty-four hours.

[Fleeing Coward]

Since Murska can't be Carlotta this time, I'm 99% sure he's a wolf. That other 1% is the narrator accidentally giving him the wrong role

[Internet Flea]

Well that should pretty much wrap things up.
If you have a role let me know so I don't have to scry you.

[banjo1985]

It's target saturation!

Now the shadows have to work out which of the many targets has been baned. That was totally my plan right from the start...yeah.

[52.5 Lemons]

Now we need to figure out who the seer is and who the fool is.


Oh yah, good luck on the bane tonight.

[super dark33]

When i think about it, its the first game i got killed by wolves!

[ThePhantom]

End of Night 2

The cast, happy that one of the dark things holding them here is dead, relaxes and nurses their wounds. In the manager's office, Andre and Firim are having an arguement.

"Now Andre please calm down,
there nothing to fear."
"Nothing to fear, when we can't leave?
Dear Firim I disagree."

While the pair talk back and forth, the darkness of the Opera House focuses in on their office.

"Firim, do you feel a chill?"
"I do indeed, perhaps there's something ill?"

The managers turn as the door opens, and the darkness rushes inside.

Later, when the members of the cast come to check on the managers, the office is a wreck, desk and chairs in pieces. As for the managers, there's no sign of them, but a large spot of blood on the floor.

Summary: Fleeing Coward and cd4 were killed, they were Andre and Firim.
Day 3 begins and ends in 48 hours.

[Internet Flea]

Targets are appreciated.

[Penguinator]

TBFProgrammer strikes me as odd, but that's normal. Bladescape's kinda quiet, but I don't want to kill my RP partner.

Monsieur Terreur, is they're something you're keeping
From your old friend; Killing folks while they're sleeping?
No matter, no matter... Not yet, anyway.
If you are, I'm sure we'll lynch you, some day.
The Programmer now, triggering my radar.
What do you think, friend? ...Have a cigar.
The show keeps on playing, not bored yet, you say.
Seeing the same thing go day after day.

[Zjoot]

Dang it! Why wasn't I the baner? These wolves are so predictable!
It's a crime! A crime I say! This is truly dispicable!

((Anyways, bladescape is my primary target right now. The kills seem to fit what I imagine he would do. Plus I had a reason based on his voting, which I seem to have forgotten. I'll edit this when I remember what it was.))

[52.5 Lemons]

Murska as he has not claimed anything and the fact that he was one of the last few to hop on the wagon.

[Internet Flea]

Good enough for me.

Penguinator for not being cleared.

[bladescape]

"Indeed my good friend, but I never tire,
Of watching Christine rise higher and higher,
But back to the other matter at hand,
Who is evil, and whose in the band?

Well, as of the moment, I'm not really sure,
I wouldn't want to be known as a complete bore,
But really? The one that sticks out the most,
Would be the green eye, not a ghost."

Alas, Terreur thought to himself,
My mind isn't as good as my health,
And I'm rather not being able to think,
My spreadsheets are appearing to shrink.

(Murska)

[Penguinator]

Good enough for me.

Penguinator for not being cleared.

You ask for targets, and decide that I make a good one because I provided analysis. Wow, congrats. That takes talent.

[Internet Flea]

You ask for targets, and decide that I make a good one because I provided analysis. Wow, congrats. That takes talent.

Actually, I just wanted to know who you were going to point at.