The Lyapunov Affair: Chaos Diplomacy

[TBFProgrammer]

@TheWamp: If Tunis doesn't submit orders, I think you might want to make a special exception for them. They would be just as stuck with an army build first turn as everyone else would be without a build.


Oh, and the recent tips for new players definitely shouldn't be trusted. You'll need allies to get anything done early on.

[thewamp]

@TheWamp: If Tunis doesn't submit orders, I think you might want to make a special exception for them. They would be just as stuck with an army build first turn as everyone else would be without a build.

Yep, I think that makes sense.

[101jir]

Really, it all comes down to personal style. (I speak from experiance because I am losing my first game). Obviously, any of the extremes runs a risk of getting you into trouble. If you are constantly questioning others unreasonably, you might perk up their suspicions and both of you might do something that you will come to resent. If you never question anything they tell you, you leave yourself wide open for backstab. If you never backstab (how is that even possible?) then you sacrifice a lot of oppritunities. If you always backstab, everyone will expect you to, and don't be surprised if they try to beat you to it. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Just think on a basic logic level.

[Deathslayer7]

i also think that NMR's should be treated as holds instead. Just so one person doesn't get an advantage over another.

[thewamp]

i also think that NMR's should be treated as holds instead. Just so one person doesn't get an advantage over another.

They will and that's a pretty standard rule. I just want to make the exception for this first round of builds, so that one person doesn't get a huge advantage over another.

[thewamp]

DEADLINE FOR BUILDS IS IN 20 MINUTES
But I'm busy writing a paper so I may not have results out until some time tomorrow morning/afternoon. You'll have approximately a week for spring orders though so hopefully this isn't too much of a problem.

[101jir]

DEADLINE FOR BUILDS IS IN 20 MINUTES
But I'm busy writing a paper so I may not have results out until some time tomorrow morning/afternoon. You'll have approximately a week for spring orders though so hopefully this isn't too much of a problem.

You have mine, correct?

[thewamp]

You have mine, correct?

Yes indeed.

[Shular]

DEADLINE FOR BUILDS IS IN 20 MINUTES
But I'm busy writing a paper so I may not have results out until some time tomorrow morning/afternoon. You'll have approximately a week for spring orders though so hopefully this isn't too much of a problem.

Morning please! Being 5 hours ahead, if you wait too long I won't see the results until tomorrow morning.

[Inanisvoid]

Well crap. I wasn't informed that this was even active until yesterday. I should have my orders in before the day is done, otherwise... yeah. Crap.

[Shular]

Well, we were assured of a hard deadline, so I don't know if he'll take your order, but you'd just default to an army, so not so bad (especially if the others on the island build fleets).

[Inanisvoid]

Well, we were assured of a hard deadline, so I don't know if he'll take your order, but you'd just default to an army, so not so bad (especially if the others on the island build fleets).

I suppose... Though I will make public now my alliance and peace agreement with both London and Liverpool. I declare that, should my delay have resulted in the formation of a militia, it will not be sanctioned by my govornment and will be held in reserve until it can be disbanded. I would not fall so low as to think of occupying my allies lands, whatever the circumstances.

[101jir]

I suppose... Though I will make public now my alliance and peace agreement with both London and Liverpool. I declare that, should my delay have resulted in the formation of a militia, it will not be sanctioned by my govornment and will be held in reserve until it can be disbanded. I would not fall so low as to think of occupying my allies lands, whatever the circumstances.

Thank you for that valuable piece of information.

[4is111]

I suppose... Though I will make public now my alliance and peace agreement with both London and Liverpool. I declare that, should my delay have resulted in the formation of a militia, it will not be sanctioned by my govornment and will be held in reserve until it can be disbanded. I would not fall so low as to think of occupying my allies lands, whatever the circumstances.

Remember he could be bluffing. After all, that could easily have been conveyed by PM. He wants you to think he has an alliance, but as it happens I think that's correct. An alliance in England makes them practically unassailable. My guess is he's going for the shock and awe factor to conquer more territories by intimidation.

[thewamp]

I should clarify the hard deadline: it means I'm not waiting on anyone. It doesn't mean that if I can't get around to processing orders on time, I won't take anyone who happens to get lucky and submit late orders before I've processed them.

That said, I wouldn't count on it, because most of the time I'll probably do orders right at the deadline. I just have finals and stuff this week, so... hooray grad school?

...

Typing up the builds now. Should be done in 15-30 depending on how quickly I want to bother to be.

[Lady Serpentine]

Naples, reporting in. I'm open to alliances (so long as they don't conflict with my existing ones), so PM me if you're interested.

And I think I managed to zip a build order off fast enough once I got the second reminder PM (Gitp ate my subscription, so I missed the in-thread ones), so...Yay!

[thewamp]

Winter 1900

The Story (If I decide to keep this up, this will be a rather silly section that will accompany my posts - I'll keep it strictly off game politics and almost exclusively in Switzerland. The stated intention is to use it to explain the "backstory," but the real intention is just to amuse myself):

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Being a Swiss spy was not a particularly impressive job at the best of times. In these end times, it was hardly a job at all - merely a steady paycheck and a lot of free time. After all, since the federal council had disappeared into a retreat in the alps, so had the orders. Henry Martin was bored. He meandered down the cobble-stoned lane in the tiny town of Perroy staring at boarded up shops and boats chugging across the nearby lake. Snow was falling slowly be he ignored it - it wouldn't stick anyway.

He didn't know it, but his life was about to get very interesting.

There was a crash and a shout! A young man piled around the corner and straight into him. With wild eyes the man jumped up and kept running. Moments later he was followed by several soldiers. There were gunshots and the man collapsed. It was only then that Henry realized the man had stuffed a piece of paper into his hand. He opened it up and read (translated from French): "Find out what they don't want you to know. Every Friday night we meet at..." But the last few words were too smudged to read. Frowning, he smoothed out the paper and brought it with him back into his house as the soldiers carried the young man away.

A-Ankara - Shular
Build A ank

B-Belgium - 101jir
Build F bel

C-Berlin - LTDave
NMR (No Moves Received) - Autobuild A ber

D-Brest - Salmon
build F bre

E-Budapest - Jamin
Build A bud

F-Bulgaria - tiaxrulesall
Illegal Order - Autobuild A bul

G-Constantinople - Grue Bait
Build F con

H-Denmark - Niezck
Build F den

I-Edinburgh - Inanisvoid
Build F edi

J-Greece - Kalirren
Build A gre

K-Holland - Pelfaid
Build F hol

L-Kiel - Salzar
Build A kie

N-Liverpool - Chambers
Build F lvp

P-London - Makleveh
Build F lon

Q-Marsailles - Locus
Build A mar

R-Moscow - nolispe
Build A mos

S-Munich - Mael
Build A mun

T-Naples - C'nor
Build A nap

U-Norway - Thrice Dead Cat
Build F nwy

V-Paris - Splynn
Build A par

W-Portugal - The Grimmace
Build A por

X-Rome - Deathslayer7
Build F rom

Y-Rumania - Murska
Build A rum

Z-Serbia - Fallout
NMR - Autobuild A ser

0-Sevastopol - 52.5 Lemons
Build F sev

1-Smyrna - yugi24862
Build F smy

2-Spain - IcemanJRC
Build F spa/nc

3-St. Petersburg - 4is111
Build A stp

4-Sweden - Vexen
Build F swe

5-Trieste - TBFProgrammer
Build A tri

6-Tunis - DMBlackhart
Build F tun

7-Venice - Mistral
Build A ven

8-Vienna - Dextral
NMR - Autobuild A vie

9-Warsaw - Eternis
Build A war

Spring 1901 Orders are due Monday 12/5 at 10pm PST
Reminder that I prefer orders be sent to giantitpdip (at) gmail (dot) com, but PMs will work if you must

[52.5 Lemons]

It appears that you are missing some builds one the map... Just pointing it out in case it was a mistake.

EDIT: It appears I was mistaken, I just couldn't see the symbols first time I checked.

[Makleveh]

There are two maps. One has the submitted orders (with the little radar pings) and the other shows the final map as we will use for Spring 01, which includes the autoplaced NMR armies. Some of them are difficult to see due to the color of the power.

[Niezck]

Could you post a list I can plug into jDip, Wamp?

[thewamp]

Could you post a list I can plug into jDip, Wamp?

See that list of orders? You can plug it in.

[Murska]

I wouldn't actually agree with Makleveh on avoiding lying. It's a pretty obvious sign to look for in messages sent to you, after all. Lying is something that's worth doing, but very sparingly. If you're going to betray someone in any case, feel free to lie to him if it helps you get rid of him faster.

As I always like to say, if Caesar hadn't been able to say his last words, history would've had a much better view of Brutus. So be thorough.

[Niezck]

See that list of orders? You can plug it in.

Ah, my bad. Sorry!

[thewamp]

Ah, my bad. Sorry!

Er, actually I may be mistaken - it's throwing some error for some reason. But if you get rid of the autobuilds and the lines with people's names, you should be good.

[Makleveh]

I wouldn't actually agree with Makleveh on avoiding lying. It's a pretty obvious sign to look for in messages sent to you, after all. Lying is something that's worth doing, but very sparingly. If you're going to betray someone in any case, feel free to lie to him if it helps you get rid of him faster.

As I always like to say, if Caesar hadn't been able to say his last words, history would've had a much better view of Brutus. So be thorough.

Murska! Stop exposing all the bad advice I'm giving out to my opponents!

[4is111]

Any chance of changing some of the darker faction colors? I can hardly see the units in Denmark and Munich.

[thewamp]

Any chance of changing some of the darker faction colors? I can hardly see the units in Denmark and Munich.

Unfortunately, no - I didn't choose any of the colors, it's just what this variant has plugged into it in jdip.

[Zjoot]

Then I guess we'll just have to get rid of Denmark, Warsaw, and Munich ASAP to avoid confusion.

(that was a joke, so nobody take it as serious strategy advice. I may or may not actually condone attacking said provinces. >.>)

[TBFProgrammer]

So, how much time are we giving the three NMRs to get their act together and do we have replacements for them.

-Trieste, stuck in the middle with Budapest

[thewamp]

Then I guess we'll just have to get rid of Denmark, Warsaw, and Munich ASAP to avoid confusion.

Or we could upload a better quality image

So, how much time are we giving the three NMRs to get their act together and do we have replacements for them.

-Stuck in the middle with Budapest

48 hours and not yet, so if you know anyone who'd like to be on deck, get them to contact me.