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Doombolt - Necromancy Spell
Doombolt
School: Necromancy
Level: magus 3, sorcerer/wizard 3, witch 3
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Components: V, S
Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Targets: up to five creatures, no two of which can be more than 15 ft. apart
Duration: 1 min/level
Saving Throw: Will partial; see text; Spell Resistance: yes
Missiles of negative energy shoot forth from your hands, dealing 1d6+1 points of negative energy damage.
The missile strikes unerringly, even if the target is in melee combat, so long as it has less than total cover or total concealment. Specific parts of a creature can't be singled out. Objects are not damaged by the spell.
In addition, every target hit by the bolt must make a Will Save or be shaken for the duration of the spell. The target is only subject to this effect once, regardless of how many bolts strike them. This is a Fear effect.
For every two additional caster levels, you get an additional doombolt. If you shoot multiple bolts, you can have them strike a single creature or several creatures. A single bolt can strike only one creature. You must designate targets before you check for spell resistance or roll damage.
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Re: What level would this spell be?
If you cap the damage at 5x(d6+1) I'd say 2nd. If left uncapped It'd have to be a 3rd.
Edit: Assuming Medium range.Last edited by Zman; 2013-01-04 at 12:11 PM.
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Re: What level would this spell be?
I'd probably put this at medium range, 2nd level. Certainly not 3rd or 4th. If you were allowed to target one creature with multiple bolts, then 3rd...
Even uncapped, you can still only target one bolt/creature.Last edited by Morcleon; 2013-01-04 at 12:13 PM.
Avatar of Furude Setsuna, by Telasi.Originally Posted by Akagi
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Avatar of Furude Setsuna, by Telasi.Originally Posted by Akagi
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Re: What level would this spell be?
If they are hit by multiple missiles from a single casting, do they have to save for each one until the fail the save or succeed against all of them?
I would put in language allowing Shield and Broach of Shielding to negate this the same as they do with Magic Missile, but also explicitly negating the fear effect.
With that change I would call it 3rd level simply because it is so much better than Cause Fear since it doesn't have a HD cap and can multi-target. Plus necromancers can use it in a pinch to heal their minions (or themselves if they take the Tomb-Tainted Soul feat).[Public Service Announcement]P.E.A.C.H stands for Please Examine And Critique Honestly[/Public Service Announcement]
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Re: What level would this spell be?
Here is a suggestion on how I would write a spell like this. Add the spell to more classes to taste.
For a level 3 spell i don't think you would need to make Shield negate it if you use it as below. If you remove the cap or raise the limit of number of missiles, i would increase it in level or make Shield (possible something else as well or instead, such as Bless or Prayer) stop the missiles.
Doombolt
School: Necromancy [Emotion, Fear, Mind-effecting];
Level: magus 3, sorcerer/wizard 3
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Components: V, S
Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Targets: up to five creatures, no two of which can be more than 15 ft. apart
Duration: 1 min/level
Saving Throw: Will partial; see text; Spell Resistance: yes
DESCRIPTION
A missile of negative energy darts forth from your fingertip and strikes its target, dealing 1d6+1 points of negative energy damage.
In addition, any target hit by one or more missiles must make a will save or become shaken for the duration of the spell.
The missile strikes unerringly, even if the target is in melee combat, so long as it has less than total cover or total concealment. Specific parts of a creature can't be singled out. Objects are not damaged by the spell.
For every two caster levels beyond 1st, you gain an additional missile - two at 3rd level, three at 5th, four at 7th, and the maximum of five missiles at 9th level or higher. If you shoot multiple missiles, you can have them strike a single creature or several creatures. A single missile can strike only one creature. You must designate targets before you check for spell resistance or roll damage.
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Re: What level would this spell be?
It was actually on purpose, you start of with 3 missiles and get up to 5. If you start of with only one, it's a bit too weak compared to a fireball.
It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to change it to something like this, if you think it's a bit too good compared to, say fireball at level 5:
You get two missiles at level 5. For every two level above 5 you get another missile, up to a maximum of 5 at level 11.
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Re: What level would this spell be?
Energy Spheres (SpC 80) is a level 4 Wizard spell that has some minor energy resistance effects, and allows a level 11 wizard to do 10 points of damage for each of the 5 elements (e, f, a, c, & sonic).
Doombolt allows a level 11 wizard to do 6d6+6 damage (average 44.5) spread across multiple targets, and debuffs up to 6 enemies (at level 11) enemies with a -2 to saves, attacks, skill checks, and ability checks if they fail their saves.
Doombolt is solidly better than Energy Spheres under most circumstances, so I'd call it a level 4 spell.
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Re: What level would this spell be?
Math fail. 6d6+6 averages out to 27, not 44. Level 3.
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Indeed. 44 damage is maximized.
Keep it uncapped. Magic need more uncapped damage. Also, it's a shaken effect. That means fear and mind-affecting, both of which are very common immunities.
As a side note, you should probably remove the fear and mind-affecting tags. Shaken is already a fear effect, which in turn is a mind-affecting effect. If you keep it, then immunity to fear/mind-affecting will stop the entire spell.Avatar of Furude Setsuna, by Telasi.Originally Posted by Akagi
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Avatar of Furude Setsuna, by Telasi.Originally Posted by Akagi
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Re: Doombolt - Necromancy Spell
Your original post still does not specify how many bolts you get (well, currently its 1 + 1 for every two caster levels, so 3 at level 5, 4 at level 6, 5 at level 8 and so on) which seem a bit excessive for a third level spell.
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You get one bolt at 5th level, and one additional bolt for every two caster levels above 5th. (to a maximum of 5 bolts at level 15 - if you want a limit to number of bolts)
Personally i think it's a bit on the weak side when you get it if you start of with only a single bolt. I would do make it like this instead:
You start of with two bolts. For every three caster levels above 5th, you get an additional bolt, up to a maximum of 5 bolts at level 14.
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