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2013-02-25, 12:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Oh, My Sweet Summer Child - Game of Thrones Season 3
Originally Posted by Old Nan
Only five weeks remain until the season 3 premiere of Game of Thrones, HBO's adaptation of the series of novels by George R. R. Martin starting with the book by the same name. Season 3 will cover the first half of the third book, A Storm of Swords.
Lots of cliffhangers (atleast for those who have not read the books) at the end of the second season. Stannis Baratheon's attack on King's Landing was beaten back thanks to the timely arrival of Tywin Lannister. Robb Stark broke his betrothal to the Frey girl. Winterfell is in ruins. And perhaps most ominous of all, the Nights Watch has come under attack by the White Walkers.
I'm really excited. A Storm of Swords is by far my favorite book in the series and I'm happy that they will be picking up some of the plot points that had been cut from season 2 (which covered the second book). Catelyn's brother and uncle will be introduced, as will Meera and Jojen Reed. TheBloody MummersBrave Companions will also be getting some screen time this season.
Please put anything that people who haven't read the books would not be familiar with in spoiler tags.
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2013-03-01, 01:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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I just posted on facebook (translated from Hebrew) "The new Game of Thrones trailer made me get really excited and wondering what's about to happen until I realized that I've read the book about twenty times".
I'm gonna watch it, I'm gonna enjoy it, and I'm going to argue with people either that the changes are for the best or that the books are better than the show, depending which side they take.Ceika made my avatar over a decade ago and the link has expired since, but people should still appreciate their work.
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2013-03-01, 04:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oh, My Sweet Summer Child - Game of Thrones Season 3
I must say, I'm almost as interested in the public's reaction to a few things as I am in actually seeing them. Book three is probably the book where the most things happen, with Book 1 being build-up and scene setting, and Book 2 being sort of static up until the end. Book 3 has the most stuff in it, and I'm looking forward to the show watchers catching up to the book readers in terms of that.
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2013-03-01, 05:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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So long as there's plenty of the Imp, I'm happy!
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2013-03-02, 01:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, Tyrion certainly got some of his best moments in book 3... Though as they're splitting it between seasons 3 and 4, you'll have to wait a season for half of those moments.
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2013-03-02, 05:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oh, My Sweet Summer Child - Game of Thrones Season 3
I'm definetly looking forward to season 3, but I was wondering if anyone could explain this trailer to me. There was a better definition version of it a few weeks ago but I can't find it now.
I have read all the books sans Dance of Dragons and I still can't make sense of it.My extended signature.
Thanks to the wonderful Ceika for my signature.
I have Steam cards and other stuff! I am selling/trading them.
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2013-03-02, 07:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oh, My Sweet Summer Child - Game of Thrones Season 3
'Their world returns to ours'. It's just a 'Hey look, there's a new GoT season!' It has no relevance to what actually will happen in the show.
Spoiler: PbP
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2013-03-02, 02:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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What is dead may never die!
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2013-03-02, 11:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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But rises again, harder and stronger!
So I guess the others follow the drowned god then.
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2013-03-03, 12:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-03-03, 10:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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George R.R. Martin keeps a lot of his old papers in my university's library. So later, this month, he'll be visiting and giving a lecture. As part of the event, there will be a free showing of the season premiere a week early. I'm pretty stoked, even though I didn't manage to get a ticket for the lecture. Still hoping to get one of my books signed.
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2013-03-03, 03:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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I really need to get HBO.
I just got season 2 in the mail last Tuesday. Heavy snow fall that night knocked my power out for two days. Still have not had time to sit down for a full marathon. I will tomorrow.
One of the best things about the series is seeing all the actors I did not know about before. Especially the younger ones. Seeing so much ability and future potential in a young person is amazing.
Particularly Maisie Williams. Seeing her player Arya as she turns into some dark later on will be thrilling and disturbing at the same time.
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2013-03-03, 04:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Anyone else angry about Season 2 changes (& No this isn't even about the Blackwater, I understand that)? Hopefully they will stay truer in Season 3
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2013-03-03, 04:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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"that nighted, penguin-fringed abyss" - At The Mountains of Madness, H.P. Lovecraft
When a man decides another's future behind his back, it is a conspiracy. When a god does it, it's destiny.
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2013-03-03, 06:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-03-03, 08:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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"that nighted, penguin-fringed abyss" - At The Mountains of Madness, H.P. Lovecraft
When a man decides another's future behind his back, it is a conspiracy. When a god does it, it's destiny.
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2013-03-03, 11:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oh, My Sweet Summer Child - Game of Thrones Season 3
I can legitimately see why they made a few of the bigger changes, actually. Like showing Robb and Whatshername fall for each other, for example. Or saving some of the introduced characters for the next season. But a few of them irked me, not so much for being bad but for losing something better (The Tickler as was already mentioned).
Not enough to get angry though. This is an adaptation, I do not expect it to be 100% accurate. Actually I don't expect it to be 70% accurate, but instead to follow the structure and themes of the books which I'd say it's doing rather well.
And I have to agree with Closet_Skeleton that the Arya/Tywin scenes were magnificently done.
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2013-03-03, 11:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Don't even get me started on the lack of Jeyne Westerling. Terrible decision.
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2013-03-04, 03:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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I agree. The series' introduction of Tywin Lannister did in one scene what the books had to reinforce repeatedly before he showed up.
Some of the other changes are very obvious once I read the books - upping (or at least obsfucating) the ages of all the characters who are involved in sexual scenes for example.
I'm currently partway through the second half of the third book and one thing has struck me regarding Cersei (spoiler for the third book):
SpoilerI'm not sure whether it's Lena Headey's portrayal or the changes for the adaptation, but the book Cersei seems very... fickle, almost petty.
During the battle of Blackwater in the TV series, she comes close to the book version but that's excusable due to alcohol and tension. Most of the time, she holds herself as a very strong and manipulative queen, well versed in politics, but the little games she plays with Tyrion in the book undermines her... dignity? Respectability? I can't quite find the right word to describe it.
Note that I've only just reached Joffery's death, so I may be off in my interpretation of Cersei.
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2013-03-04, 03:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm currently partway through the second half of the third book and one thing has struck me regarding Cersei (spoiler for the third book):SpoilerCersei has definitely been a lot more respectable in the tv series than in the books. The fickleness continues, and I'm interested to see just how they portray it, because in the TV series a lot of the more blurgh or petty actions from Cersei have been moved off onto Joffrey. Joffrey in the tv series is a lot more of a presence, where in the books he was more of an easily manipulated totem for Lannister power. Joffrey was still a tosser, but he didn't have any explicit prostitute murder scenes, he didn't kill all his bastard offspring, and he didn't threaten his mother with death.
Spoiler for end of third book and 4th.
SpoilerThe obvious thing to push Cersei into the more "completely nutso" territory she covers in book 4, is to have her more or less go off the rails following Joffreys death. That's basically what happened anyway but it was building off more previous action in the book.
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2013-03-04, 05:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oh, My Sweet Summer Child - Game of Thrones Season 3
Regarding Cersei. Spoilers for... up to book 3 (minor for book 4)
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While she really is not a likeable character I dare say many people are harder on her then she deserves. Yeah, she is petty and not as smart as Tyrion but while the show puts more emphasis on her actual character depth - mostly her care for her children and a bit her wish to be respected for more than her **** - it is there in the books. (It helps that she becomes a POV character later)
Her feelings towards Tyrion, while not justified... well, his birth did kill their mother. I'm not saying she's justified in it but her dislike for him doesn't come out of nowhere.
While I really, really like what they added to the Tywin/Arya scenes it makes me angry because I don't want to like this Tywin. It's troublesome because due to the actor I kept seeing Vetinari in Tywin and then got disappointed by how he turned out to be and now I know I will be even more disappointed unless they make more changes to him in the third season (and fourth).
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2013-03-04, 04:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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They certainly made him a lot more likeable and more 'human', which in the long run could turn out good or bad and if it continues will definitely change the reception of a certain bathroom scene. I definitely love the character, acting and writing for Tywin, but I'm not sure how the new characterization will fit in with later events.
At the heart of all beauty lies something inhuman, and these hills, the softness of the sky, the outline of the trees at this very minute lose the illusory meaning with which we clothed them, henceforth more remote than a lost paradise.
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2013-03-06, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oh, My Sweet Summer Child - Game of Thrones Season 3
I think the shift in perception (for Cersei in particular, but other characters as well) is that TV doesn't let us get inside the characters' heads the way the books do. To continue the Cersei example, the major POV from which we observe her in book 1 is Ned. In book 2, it's Tyrion (with some Sansa mixed in in both books). Neither of the major characters is kindly disposed to her, and Sansa's positive reactions early on are shown to be the naive illusions of a stupid child - it's immediately obvious from the other POV that Cersei is putting up a front to manipulate her. Of course we hate her after reading those two books - the people through which we experience her hate her.
TV can only show us what the characters do and say. The books show us their motivations and the feelings they can't express. Because of that, I feel like the book characters are more fleshed out, more human, more relatable, etc.
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2013-03-06, 12:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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While true, there's so much more the book has to state due to the lack of body language and other such non-verbal clues.
For example, compare this scene in the book:
Originally Posted by Game of Thrones p.573-574
The scene in the book doesn't capture any of the sheer aggression or physicality that Jason Momoa puts into the scene, not to mention the harshness of the Dothraki constructed language adding to the tone.
The whole Daenerys and Jorah relationship is another one as well - (spoiler for beginning of book 3)SpoilerYou only have to see the way he looks at her to know his feelings towards her (well done by Iain Glen there), but it's not obvious in the books until he kisses her on the ship.
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2013-03-06, 05:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oh, My Sweet Summer Child - Game of Thrones Season 3
I didn't have any trouble seeing Drogo's passion in my mind when I read this passage.
I strongly suspected Jorah's attraction to Dany in book 1. Book 2 made it more clear, and book 3 was basically GRRM hitting anyone that hadn't caught on to it yet with a sledgehammer of obvious.
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2013-03-06, 06:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Oh, My Sweet Summer Child - Game of Thrones Season 3
Earlier in the scene, Drogo was very quiet from the news of the poison attempt and spoke only after a long while, hence I read it in a cold clinical way, rather than the alpha male vow of fury depicted in the series.
Different people, different interpretations.
Again, just because it's obvious to you, doesn't mean it's that way to everybody else. It took the sledgehammer for me.
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2013-03-06, 09:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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For my part I will be excited to see what direction the show continues to go in. I have read all the books available two times or so and I am not disappointed in changes made in the show. I really love the books but it's pretty awesome to have a visual comparison.
Book 3 Spoilers:
SpoilerI'm really dreading the Red Wedding. It is so hard for me to READ let alone WATCH! The North Remembers!
I wonder if the exclusion of Jeyne Westerling-Stark from the show kills some of the conspiracy theories you hear in some of the forums?
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2013-03-06, 10:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-03-06, 11:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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My question is will we get to see the Brotherhood without Banners and Thoros of Myr this season. I'm afraid they're going to leave a lot of that stuff out.
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2013-03-06, 11:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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