League of Legends LII: Sin of the Blind Monk

**Nadevoc** · 2013-09-09, 10:43 PM (ISO 8601)

League of Legends LII: Sin of the Blind Monk

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**NineThePuma** · 2013-09-09, 10:45 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Godskook

September update:

Current players:

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abadguy | Placement | 0 | 15/100 | ?
Anarion | Bronze I, 93 LP | 40 | 59/100 | NA
Dallas-Dakota | Silver II, 45 LP | 52 | 01/100 | NA
Darius Macab | Bronze I, 13 LP | 10 | 18/100 | NA
dgnslyr | Silver III, 100 LP | 111 | 08/100 | NA
Dragonus45 | Silver IV, 2 LP | 104 | 14/100 | NA
Duos | Silver III, 91 LP | 112 | 60/100 | NA
Eldariel | Platinum I, 0 LP | 74 | 18/100 | EUW
Endoperez | Silver V, 82 LP | 51 | 13/100 | EUW
Epinephrine_Syn | Silver IV, 34 LP | 07 | 00/100 | ?
Forrestfire | Silver V, 3 LP | 95 | 33/100 | NA
Gimliggamer | Silver IV, 2 LP | 78 | 16/100 | NA
Grytorm | Bronze II, 58 LP | 16 | 14/100 | NA
Godskook | Gold V, 29 LP | 160 | 23/100 | NA
Ivellius | Silver III, 29 LP | 15 | 16/100 | NA
Kris on a Stick | Silver V, 100 LP | 33 | 21/100 | NA
Legoshrimp | Silver I, 38 LP | 18 | 02/100 | NA
Lord Khaine | Silver III, 91 LP | 30 | 02/100 | EUNE
MathMage | Platinum V, 23 LP | 36 | 00/100 | NA
Mattarias | Bronze V, 80 LP | 5 | 03/100 | NA
McDogual | Bronze III, 58 LP | 39 | 04/100 | NA
Merellis | Placement | 4 | 23/100 | NA
MtgPlayerZach | Silver III, 63 LP | 27 | 09/100 | NA
Nadevoc | Silver II, 31 LP | 20 | 10/100 | NA
NineThePuma | Bronze V, 75 LP | 57 | 72/100 | NA
Olinser | Placement | 0 | 24/100 | NA
Outsideheaven | Platinum V, 0 LP | 68 | 20/100 | NA
Perkinz | Placement | 0 | 08/100 | NA
PersonMan | Silver III, 27 LP | 9 | 31/100 | EU
PhoeKun | Bronze II, 71 LP | 34 | 10/100 | NA
Postmodernist | Bronze III, 53 LP | 63 | 16/100 | NA
Qwertystop | Bronze II, 85 LP | 68 | 28/100 | NA
Recaiden | Silver II, 27 LP | 30 | 34/100 | NA
Renegade Paladin | Silver V, 10 LP | 57 | 14/100 | NA
Sallera | Silver V, 9 LP | 8 | 01/100 | NA
Siosilvar | Bronze II, 83 LP | 14 | 39/100 | NA
SlyGuyMcFly | Silver III, 52 LP | 32 | 11/100 | EUW
Starswords | Silver I, 20 LP | 57 | 31/100 | NA
TechnOkami | Bronze III, 100 LP | 24 | 02/100 | NA
TFT | Diamond V, 87 LP | 754 | Finished | NA
TheShrike | Placement | 1 | 00/100 | NA
WyvernLord | Placement | 0 | 22/100 | NA
Zargodia | Placement | 0 | 00/100 | ?

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**Forrestfire** · 2013-09-09, 11:02 PM (ISO 8601)

Posting for a checkmark. Not much else to say.

**Antonok** · 2013-09-09, 11:03 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Forrestfire

Posting for a checkmark. Not much else to say.

Same, also could I get added to the NA list? Getting close to 30

**Nadevoc** · 2013-09-09, 11:07 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Antonok

Same, also could I get added to the NA list? Getting close to 30

LoL name is the same, right? If so, added.

If not, added incorrectly :-P

**Duos** · 2013-09-09, 11:09 PM (ISO 8601)

Well, I wound up at 99 LP. So I played one more game.

Sweet
Motherloving
JESUS.

That was like pulling my own teeth sans novocaine. The enemy team had a double AD bot lane (quinn+cait), eve jungle, rumble top, and brand mid. Should be an easy game, right? Well, our thresh fed like seven kills in laning phase and rushed sunfire, and never bought a single ward. He spent the entire game screaming obscenities at the rest of the team and threatening to report us. We managed to claw our way to victory by virtue of some expert zed play, a late-game tristana, and me tanking the **** out of their massive dps, but my lord that thresh was the most unpleasant person I've ever had to play a game with in a very long time.

On the upside, Qualified for a series. Go me.

**Recaiden** · 2013-09-09, 11:17 PM (ISO 8601)

Congratulations, Duos!

Originally Posted by Forrestfire

Posting for a checkmark. Not much else to say.

Originally Posted by NineThePuma

Beep Boop, subscribed.

You guys know you can just hit "Thread Tools" -> "Subscribe to this thread", right?

**Silverraptor** · 2013-09-09, 11:23 PM (ISO 8601)

Gotta love that new thread smell.

**Red Rubber Band** · 2013-09-09, 11:28 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Recaiden

Congratulations, Duos!

You guys know you can just hit "Thread Tools" -> "Subscribe to this thread", right?

Just replying so I'm subscribed to this thread.

**Forrestfire** · 2013-09-09, 11:32 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Recaiden

You guys know you can just hit "Thread Tools" -> "Subscribe to this thread", right?

I did that first. I still wanted the checkmark for when I'm looking down a list and too lazy to hit the User CP button

**Reinboom** · 2013-09-09, 11:33 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by ChaosOS

Reinboom, since you work on stuff like the shop; I remember Solcrushed saying tech limitations were what delayed the Viktor changes for the addition of green/orange/purple augments. Have you guys worked on that tech at all, is it planned, or is the rework moving in a different direction? Or maybe something else?

There aren't many people with experience modifying item data, so there's a lot of hesitation from tech designers to do so (what most of design relies on to do engineering work). My time was locked away with Undo and New Options Menu, which is finally clearing up, and I'm the "go to" for item stuff. Which means there was a lot of hesitation to do it. Especially since it's a lot of tech for just one champion and you would need to modify four differing systems to perform large changes to item data (Item Shop, Game Server, Data Dragon, Air Client).
Only a handful of engineers has experience in two of those, and I have everything but air client. So... pretty much that's why it was pushed back. Sorry.

Even with that, I really couldn't say much on that specific project. Not because I couldn't give information, but because what information I have may change at any moment.

**Nadevoc** · 2013-09-10, 12:18 AM (ISO 8601)

Huh. I really didn't think that much of the Undo button 'cause I couldn't really think of an instance I'd needed it, and here less than a week in it's saved one of my ranked games. (Our Jungle Malphite wasn't thinking and grabbed the recommended item, assuming it was Machete).

So thanks, Reinboom. I apologize for not seeing the awesomeness of your feature earlier.

**ChaosOS** · 2013-09-10, 12:22 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Reinboom

There aren't many people with experience modifying item data, so there's a lot of hesitation from tech designers to do so (what most of design relies on to do engineering work). My time was locked away with Undo and New Options Menu, which is finally clearing up, and I'm the "go to" for item stuff. Which means there was a lot of hesitation to do it. Especially since it's a lot of tech for just one champion and you would need to modify four differing systems to perform large changes to item data (Item Shop, Game Server, Data Dragon, Air Client).
Only a handful of engineers has experience in two of those, and I have everything but air client. So... pretty much that's why it was pushed back. Sorry.

Even with that, I really couldn't say much on that specific project. Not because I couldn't give information, but because what information I have may change at any moment.

Thanks for the response. What exactly is the data dragon? I recognize the others, but that system I'm not sure what it does.

**Godskook** · 2013-09-10, 12:26 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Reinboom

There aren't many people with experience modifying item data, so there's a lot of hesitation from tech designers to do so (what most of design relies on to do engineering work). My time was locked away with Undo and New Options Menu, which is finally clearing up, and I'm the "go to" for item stuff. Which means there was a lot of hesitation to do it. Especially since it's a lot of tech for just one champion and you would need to modify four differing systems to perform large changes to item data (Item Shop, Game Server, Data Dragon, Air Client).
Only a handful of engineers has experience in two of those, and I have everything but air client. So... pretty much that's why it was pushed back. Sorry.

RIOT HAS A DRAGON!?!??!?!??!Sorry, I had to.

**Antonok** · 2013-09-10, 12:29 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Nadevoc

LoL name is the same, right? If so, added.

If not, added incorrectly :-P

Its correct.

I've been on a bad losing streak today and then I have this personal first happen.

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Felt pretty useless at the start because I wasn't needed to gank so I just counter jungled for the most part.

**NineThePuma** · 2013-09-10, 12:36 AM (ISO 8601)

Is it possible to trick the client into thinking that multiple instances of an item in the code are the same item in game?

Ie, if double augmented hexcores are the end game, could you just have 6 double augmented hexcores with different build paths, or would that just be bloat?

**Godskook** · 2013-09-10, 12:51 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by NineThePuma

Is it possible to trick the client into thinking that multiple instances of an item in the code are the same item in game?

Ie, if double augmented hexcores are the end game, could you just have 6 double augmented hexcores with different build paths, or would that just be bloat?

Its possible, but practicality depends on how they implement items.

**Socratov** · 2013-09-10, 12:53 AM (ISO 8601)

wow! dat leona blade! (previous thread). Very amazing!

**Krazzman** · 2013-09-10, 01:31 AM (ISO 8601)

About the shop:

Why do some recommended Items for Champions stuck out as fail?

Tristana for example has AP items as recommended items but should build AD items... or have I been playing tristana wrong?

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**Anarion** · 2013-09-10, 01:37 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Krazzman

About the shop:

Why do some recommended Items for Champions stuck out as fail?

Tristana for example has AP items as recommended items but should build AD items... or have I been playing tristana wrong?

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The answer is usually that they're old recommendations that have never been updated to match with the current meta or more recent patches.

In Tristana's case, though, she does have two legitimate builds. AP Tristana is dunktastic and can kill things like crazy, although it's hard countered by banshees veil.

AD is the more common role because the long range and attack speed buff on Q make Tristana into a killing machine and she's more valuable as an AD carry so that some other, stronger caster can play mid, but AP Tristana is a viable build on her.

**Nadevoc** · 2013-09-10, 01:41 AM (ISO 8601)

AP Trist is a thing; she actually has a 3.3 AP ratio total, with 0.8 of that getting a reset on kill/assist.

Some of the champions have alternative builds recommended on Howling Abyss for various reasons, since the game does play quite differently there. Personally I still prefer ADC Trist, Riot's decided to recommend an AP build instead.

**Siosilvar** · 2013-09-10, 01:43 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Krazzman

About the shop:

Why do some recommended Items for Champions stuck out as fail?

Tristana for example has AP items as recommended items but should build AD items... or have I been playing tristana wrong?

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Tristana's recommended items are AP on Howling Abyss because she can get resets. It's less common on SR than her AD build because AD is more consistent damage and safer, but on ARAM you can get some serious damage going either way (and AP is somewhat faster to ramp up than AD, which only really hits its stride at 2-3 items).

**TFT** · 2013-09-10, 02:29 AM (ISO 8601)

Some of you probably know that I've been in a horrible slump recently in solo q. Well...

7 ranked wins in a row. Jumped up a whole division.

Back in the game. :D Maybe I can get back Diamond 2 or Diamond 1 before the end of the season.

(Oh right, and subscribed. I guess that too.)

**Reinboom** · 2013-09-10, 02:50 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Krazzman

About the shop:

Why do some recommended Items for Champions stuck out as fail?

Tristana for example has AP items as recommended items but should build AD items... or have I been playing tristana wrong?

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Most of the recommended pages were put in by a very dazed Scar-bro during our Season 2 / Preseason 3 switch, which was a bit of a crunch mode. There are slight costs everywhere from it.
They're steadily being updated - basically as designers notice things are awry.

Originally Posted by ChaosOS

Thanks for the response. What exactly is the data dragon? I recognize the others, but that system I'm not sure what it does.

Data Dragon is a data service that feeds well-formed game data to the main league website, partner sites, the tribunal, our BI, data collectors, or what have you. It's an effective photo album of snapshots of the game content, where any given patch can be referenced at a moment's notice. It's also a programming library for JavaScript, PHP, and Java.
The JavaScript framework and the service has a publicly accessible QA side to it that can be seen at http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/tool/
This was also my first major project at Riot a couple years ago.

The QA tool hasn't been as well kept up to match the game data behind it sadly. For example, if you click on a champion it will appear to have no rec items when it is simply that Data Dragon has it but the format changed and the QA tool didn't change to match. (Though the website has)

**Renegade Paladin** · 2013-09-10, 05:06 AM (ISO 8601)

There was a while there when Poppy's recommended items on ARAM included six health pots.

**NineThePuma** · 2013-09-10, 05:08 AM (ISO 8601)

Even after the limit of five was added? :P

**TechnOkami** · 2013-09-10, 05:22 AM (ISO 8601)

Seriously, what the hell?

THIRD recorded pentakill.

AD Thresh.

ARAM.

Did I suddenly just become good or did people just become dumb?

**Talesin** · 2013-09-10, 05:39 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by NineThePuma

Even after the limit of five was added? :P

The problem with a lot of things like this is that overall the game goes through some pretty major changes as season's progresses, especially in season 3. It's a shame that stuff like this can't be coded in to automatically change but honestly I cannot imagine the headache this would cause as a whole.

On a separate note what are people's opinions on Sightstone first on supports? I'd pretty much been against the idea for a long time because I just assumed that Philo stone's regen and GP10 was the be all and end all of early game itemisation.

However recently i've been starting with pure ward starts and going straight into Sightstone on Thresh (I would try it on other supports but i've not been playing much recently) and not picking up Philo. I've gone 2-0, which is anecdotal evidence as far as i'm concerned, but it has allowed me to completely dominate early laning phases by warding brushes and even early buffs.

Also, is Leona considered a counter to Thresh? I've first picked Thresh 4-5 times recently and had Leona locked in on the other team every time. I just find you can absolutely wreck her once she engages and once she starts to run off you've got hook to bring her back for the kill.

**Eldariel** · 2013-09-10, 06:37 AM (ISO 8601)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsmbgzOigtM - I found this fairly amusing, and extremely well-done for a live action film.

Originally Posted by Siosilvar

Tristana's recommended items are AP on Howling Abyss because she can get resets. It's less common on SR than her AD build because AD is more consistent damage and safer, but on ARAM you can get some serious damage going either way (and AP is somewhat faster to ramp up than AD, which only really hits its stride at 2-3 items).

Her AP ratios are certainly reasonable but on ARAM it's a suicide build while AD Trist is one of the strongest mid/lategame characters (I'd almost say THE strongest). You can't catch her, she has ridiculous range and even healing debuff for dueling. Buster Shot + Rocket Jump + Rapid Fire + Passive = nice set.

Originally Posted by abadguy

I'm trying to work my way up with Cass, seems there's very little counters to her during laning phase. I do find that she does get serious mana issues and doesn't do well vs bruiser lane opponents e.g J4, Riven.

Any idea how I can 'win' lanes like those? just afk farm?

It's a matter of play. Maintain your distance, poke at max range, don't let them in before you have ulti. Cass should have the edge on both those lanes so it's really just a matter of not making mistakes; both J4 and Riven punish mechanical mistakes really hard so just play tighter. And get Boots fairly early. Obviously build Zhonya's first (with Tear/Doran's Ring before for mana), and utilize your passive for sustain.

**TechnOkami** · 2013-09-10, 06:44 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Eldariel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsmbgzOigtM - I found this fairly amusing, and extremely well-done for a live action film.

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