League of Legends LII: Sin of the Blind Monk

[Godskook]

Really depends how it's coded; I can see ways it could be coded where you can't just change the name of one league, you'd have to switch the name in the list of possible names

Given that League names are static once created, I suspect that they're stored specifically rather than generically.

For the record I like this idea. The reason that LoL is a popular and fun game is because it has 100+ heroes that are each supposed to be fun and unique, and Zilean's ult truly is unique, and actually, his entire kit is really awesome. They just need to adjust numbers or something pls.

At minimum, Zilean needs a Skarner-level rework, probably more, before he can be allowed to be viable.

[toasty]

At minimum, Zilean needs a Skarner-level rework, probably more, before he can be allowed to be viable.

I just like his kit a lot. If he was better I'd play him more. Rewind is so cool.

[Nadevoc]

Given that League names are static once created, I suspect that they're stored specifically rather than generically.

Some forms of storing numbers takes up less memory than a standard string, and then they just have the array of strings stored in one place.

So basically, it could be storing something like '37' for the league name, and then every time they need to print it, instead of printing leagueId, they print leagueNames[leagueId]

I mean, it could easily just be stored locally as a string, but it's also possible it's stored in another method that means you can't just change the name of one league.

[Godskook]

I just like his kit a lot. If he was better I'd play him more. Rewind is so cool.

Rewind is problematic like Rengar's ferocity skills are, currently, or old LB's ult. You just use it to double-tap your max-rank spell, giving you massive power spikes every time you level-up an the basic skill you're double-tapping.

He's also a long-ranged point'n'click burst champion, which is just not a good direction for a champion if you want them to be viable.

[Forrestfire]

Random happy incident:
Made it so that you can now "stick" chat so that while browsing the chat history, new messages won't send you to the bottom. This took rewriting a huge portion of chat. It's the reason why it wasn't done before (though not for lack of a few people trying). This'll probably be in 3.13.
Hurrah for lull times after big projects and dares by xelnath.

So... I can now check baron without having to try a dozen times? AMAZING

[ex cathedra]

For the record I like this idea. The reason that LoL is a popular and fun game is because it has 100+ heroes that are each supposed to be fun and unique, and Zilean's ult truly is unique, and actually, his entire kit is really awesome. They just need to adjust numbers or something pls.

what kind of sick individual likes zilean's kit?

it's actually the worst

[NineThePuma]

There's a handful of mumblers who're only on mumble because we dragged them on with us. If you cultivate a European activity on the server, there'll be one.

Hell, I'm pretty sure there's a good few playgrounders who only transitioned to being mumblers because I personally dragged them on.

*shakes fist at Kook*

Random happy incident:
Made it so that you can now "stick" chat so that while browsing the chat history, new messages won't send you to the bottom. This took rewriting a huge portion of chat. It's the reason why it wasn't done before (though not for lack of a few people trying). This'll probably be in 3.13.
Hurrah for lull times after big projects and dares by xelnath.

Oh my god Reina. Reina, I think I love you.

Also, if Xelnath has the time to dare you to rewrite Chat, he should be finishing Xerath or Yorick. >=\

[Godskook]

Also, if Xelnath has the time to dare you to rewrite Chat, he should be finishing Xerath or Yorick. >=\

As I understand things, there's significant bottlenecking of resources in places that require 10+ Rioters working together.

[toasty]

what kind of sick individual likes zilean's kit?

it's actually the worst

bombs are dumb, I agree. But Rewind is coolio. And so is the revive. I like Reviving people.

I'm actually a fan of 4-protect-1 as a strategy, and Zilean is a great candidate for that strategy.

[NineThePuma]

As I understand things, there's significant bottlenecking of resources in places that require 10+ Rioters working together.

I know.

[Qwertystop]

Any chance of adding something so that chatrooms blink like private messages do when someone sends you a message and the client or box is in the background?

[Red Rubber Band]

edit- oh, and what does everything think of Cleaver vs Hydra for your extended-core offensive item on Renekton?

I would only build Hydra if I was miles in front or vsing someone who could wave clear amazingly well (to try stop them from roaming or at least be able to follow). Even then I'd still consider Cleaver. I just really like that item on him

So, apart from Nasus, which melee character would benefit well from Tri-force now?

I've tried it on Wukong a couple of times to great effect. The others mentioned (Irelia and Jax in particular) are also candidates.
I personally wouldn't build it on Renekton or Shen.

[Antonok]

So, apart from Nasus, which melee character would benefit well from Tri-force now?

I like it on bruiser nidalee. Goes well with her cat form imo. plus she can use just about everything it offers stat wise.

[jguy]

So with the Garen visual upgrade can we finally upgrade Taric's look? He looks so damn blocky and yet he has super pointy shoes like he's a damn elf.

[Eldariel]

I've tried it on Wukong a couple of times to great effect. The others mentioned (Irelia and Jax in particular) are also candidates.
I personally wouldn't build it on Renekton or Shen.

If you want a damage item on Shen, Triforce is the best bang for your buck. Mobility helps you stick in there but most importantly, you can easily trigger Sheen every time it's off cooldown between Q, W and W-enhanced passive procs providing you with Energy.

Shen's passive goes great with the ASpd, Health is obviously a superb stat on him and he actually has decent AP scaling so all the stats except for mana obviously are superb on Shen. Shen actually used to build the old Triforce at times too. Basically, your damage options with Shen are Wit's End, BoRK and Triforce (Sunfire is kinda given to enable splitpushing). Attack Speed is king.

[Godskook]

bombs are dumb, I agree. But Rewind is coolio. And so is the revive. I like Reviving people.

Rewind is the biggest thing about bombs that is dumb, so I'm really confused by you projecting it all onto bombs instead of Rewind.

[Renegade Paladin]

When I logged on at roughly 9:20 Eastern there was a small patch, about 21 MB as I recall, that dropped since I logged on earlier in the afternoon around 5:30. Something in that patch changed my in-game resolution so that everything is stretched and distorted and unless I move the window I only see half the shop when it's open. What gives?

[Eurus]

Rewind is the biggest thing about bombs that is dumb, so I'm really confused by you projecting it all onto bombs instead of Rewind.

I think the idea of bombs as long range point-and-click harass in general is a bit of a problem. Rewind is also a little odd, since the only point of its existence is double bombing; the Time Warp and Chronoshift could just have their cooldowns slashed instead for roughly the same effect. Rewind should definitely be replaced, I think, with a skill that actually does something instead of just... making his cooldowns less disgusting. They could stand to make his passive more interesting too, honestly.

[Godskook]

I think the idea of bombs as long range point-and-click harass in general is a bit of a problem. Rewind is also a little odd, since the only point of its existence is double bombing; the Time Warp and Chronoshift could just have their cooldowns slashed instead for roughly the same effect. Rewind should definitely be replaced, I think, with a skill that actually does something instead of just... making his cooldowns less disgusting. They could stand to make his passive more interesting too, honestly.

You can double-slow or slow+haste or double-haste too. While Rewind is most notable for Bombs, Time Warp does work with it.

[ChaosOS]

So after trying her on the PBE I have to say Jinx is disgustingly powerful, her DPS is nuts and she has decent zone control with her W and E. Then of course her ult is just a straight up massive damage global finisher, only note is its hitbox is not nearly as wide as say an ezreal or ashe ult, but it moves much faster than either once it gets moving.

[Reinboom]

When I logged on at roughly 9:20 Eastern there was a small patch, about 21 MB as I recall, that dropped since I logged on earlier in the afternoon around 5:30. Something in that patch changed my in-game resolution so that everything is stretched and distorted and unless I move the window I only see half the shop when it's open. What gives?

Sorry about that. The conversion code that migrates what you had in the format the old options menu used versus the new options menu may not always run in time for us to properly setup the GDI. The result is that it fails to handle the pieces that are required at the VERY beginning of the game booting: how your game window looks.

[ChaosOS]

Sorry about that. The conversion code that migrates what you had in the format the old options menu used versus the new options menu may not always run in time for us to properly setup the GDI. The result is that it fails to handle the pieces that are required at the VERY beginning of the game booting: how your game window looks.

Out of curiosity how many more systems do you guys think you're going to have to totally redo due to ancient spaghetti code? Now that you've done item shop, UI, and options menu, what is next?

[Renegade Paladin]

Sorry about that. The conversion code that migrates what you had in the format the old options menu used versus the new options menu may not always run in time for us to properly setup the GDI. The result is that it fails to handle the pieces that are required at the VERY beginning of the game booting: how your game window looks.

I fixed it manually through the options while in game, but haven't started another game since. Is it going to keep doing it? Not a big deal if so; changing it back takes a couple of seconds, but I'd rather know (and you probably would to).

[Reinboom]

Out of curiosity how many more systems do you guys think you're going to have to totally redo due to ancient spaghetti code? Now that you've done item shop, UI, and options menu, what is next?

We've redone way more than that, just it's not always obvious. Quite a bit the systems that are redone would be difficult to explain why. e.g. We recently made a massive change to how our packet system works; which is totally not relevant as a thing to players. Only what it allows down the road.
Incidentally, sometimes you will see things that look very new but are very not. Like the base HUD update about a year ago uses mostly the same code as before the update.

I couldn't really say what all systems might be touched after. We shift around a lot here.

[Olinser]

I fixed it manually through the options while in game, but haven't started another game since. Is it going to keep doing it? Not a big deal if so; changing it back takes a couple of seconds, but I'd rather know (and you probably would to).

It did the same thing to me, I fixed it in the first game, and in the 2 games since it has been fine.

[Reinboom]

I fixed it manually through the options while in game, but haven't started another game since. Is it going to keep doing it? Not a big deal if so; changing it back takes a couple of seconds, but I'd rather know (and you probably would to).

It shouldn't. If it does, then there is something else going on.

[Anarion]

Random happy incident:
Made it so that you can now "stick" chat so that while browsing the chat history, new messages won't send you to the bottom. This took rewriting a huge portion of chat. It's the reason why it wasn't done before (though not for lack of a few people trying). This'll probably be in 3.13.
Hurrah for lull times after big projects and dares by xelnath.

You are making a strong run for "coolest person ever" right now.

If you want a damage item on Shen, Triforce is the best bang for your buck. Mobility helps you stick in there but most importantly, you can easily trigger Sheen every time it's off cooldown between Q, W and W-enhanced passive procs providing you with Energy.

Shen's passive goes great with the ASpd, Health is obviously a superb stat on him and he actually has decent AP scaling so all the stats except for mana obviously are superb on Shen. Shen actually used to build the old Triforce at times too. Basically, your damage options with Shen are Wit's End, BoRK and Triforce (Sunfire is kinda given to enable splitpushing). Attack Speed is king.

I've tried Triforce on Shen recently and I find myself surprised by how well he can fight with it. The Q+auto+ki strike+triforce proc combination hits really hard and people do not expect that kind of burst from a Shen.

We've redone way more than that, just it's not always obvious. Quite a bit the systems that are redone would be difficult to explain why. e.g. We recently made a massive change to how our packet system works; which is totally not relevant as a thing to players. Only what it allows down the road.
Incidentally, sometimes you will see things that look very new but are very not. Like the base HUD update about a year ago uses mostly the same code as before the update.

I couldn't really say what all systems might be touched after. We shift around a lot here.

That sounds exciting. Was this also related to fixing the "SUDDENLY FRAMERATE LAG!!" problems that have been happening for a bit?

[Istari]

Any tips on playing Shen? I'm familiar with the splitpush and ult strategies, but other than rushing Sunfire what items are good on him right now?
Trinity Force is obviously a good damage item, but should I build more survivability first?

[Red Rubber Band]

Any tips on playing Shen? I'm familiar with the splitpush and ult strategies, but other than rushing Sunfire what items are good on him right now?
Trinity Force is obviously a good damage item, but should I build more survivability first?

Spirit Visage is amazing. More tank is always good. Like Randuin's.
As for damage... Wit's End would be my go to choice.

[ex cathedra]

Shen is probably my best champion and i got to plat by playing him almost exclusively.

If you're laning against a champion with heavy physical or mixed damage, you pretty much always rush sunfire. Against threats that are largely magical in nature you rush spirit visage.

If you started with Sunfire, your next pick should be one of Spirit Visage, Randuin's, or Triforce depending on need. If you're snowballing an early triforce makes you absolutely monstrous. You want one lategame regardless, it lets you combo carries for about 40% of their healthbar.

Randuins and Visage are obviously for more armor or more MR, respectively. Very rarely do I reach full build and not finish a game with all four of those items.

Against hypercarries or multiple auto-attackers Thornmail is a good fourth, fifth, or sixth item, but most games don't call for that sort of thing.