Moving While Prone

[Jack Zander]

Prone comes up with my group quite often, and I thought somewhere you could use a tumble check to move while prone, or you could crawl at 5 feet per round or something, but I searched all over and couldn't find where any of this was. Did I imagine those kind of rules or is there a way to move while prone?

[Darkshade]

I think there is/was (in 3.0 maybe) I know it has come up in my group far too often as well but I can't really remember where we found any information on it, i'll take a look in my available books though

[nivek1234]

It hasn't happened *yet* in our game, but how is spell casting affected while prone?

[Darkshade]

pg 142 of the PHB

Crawling: you can crawl 5 feet as a move action. Crawling incurs attacks of opportunity from any attackers who threaten you at any point in your crawl.

[Jack Zander]

Ah thanks! But nivek1234 has a good point. Can anyone answer that one now?

[Darkshade]

erm
uh
i cant find anything you can probably do it just fine as somatic components only require 1 free hand anyway
it'll provoke but thats what concentration is for in the first place, maybe an ad-hoc DC boost is in order maybe not its kinda up to the DM

[Gralamin]

Spellcasting be the same as normal, provoking AoO. When you have a lower AC, this is not a good thing.

[Aximili]

and you can tumble 5feet as full round action while prone, to avoid AoO.

[Darkshade]

and you can tumble 5feet as full round action while prone, to avoid AoO.

i see no mention of that in the tumble skill or in prone descriptions.
crawling 5 feet is a move action all its own that provokes attacks of opportunity. If you were to try adapting the current tumble rules youd have to tumble at half speed which would result in no movement whatsoever, at best you could shoot for the DC 25 for an accelerate tumble.

[Aximili]

It's not in the rules. It's an assumption suggested either in the FAQ or in the Ask Wizards (not quite sure now).

It's due to the fact that you can crawl 10feet in one round. Tumbling at half speed should than allow you to crawl 5feet in one round. (Avoiding AoO)

[Darkshade]

yes as two move actions.

[Aximili]

Therefore, a full-round action.

[Jack Zander]

And what would you make the DC for that be? The same as if you were moving out of a threatened space?

[clericwithnogod]

There is a skill trick that let's you do a tumbling crawl of 5' avoiding an AOO in Complete Scoundrel (or at least in the preview - things don't always make it into the final book and I don't have the book yet). The preview just shows the chart and not the full description, so it doesn't clarify if the 5' crawling tumble is a move action with the trick, or the previous interpretation would now be obsolete... Anyone have the book that could clarify it?

[Aximili]

And what would you make the DC for that be? The same as if you were moving out of a threatened space?

Don't know. Could keep it at 15, or maybe increase it to 20.

There is a skill trick that let's you do a tumbling crawl of 5' avoiding an AOO in Complete Scoundrel

Hm, I had no idea. Gotta get that book.

[Darkshade]

it would be two checks at 15 to represent the basic moving without tumbling for 2 move actions to move 5 feet or one check at dc 25 for one move action to move 5 feet (accelerated tumbling) or 2 move actions with two checks at DC 25 to move ten feet (accelerated tumbling)

[Arbitrarity]

And there's the epic "free stand" use, but that's DC 30...

[pestilenceawaits]

there is a free stand trick that you can buy in complete scoundrel also. (non epic)

[Darkshade]

i bleieve thief-acrobat gets kip-up as well

[NullAshton]

It's not in the rules. It's an assumption suggested either in the FAQ or in the Ask Wizards (not quite sure now).

It's due to the fact that you can crawl 10feet in one round. Tumbling at half speed should than allow you to crawl 5feet in one round. (Avoiding AoO)

No. Moving 5 feet while prone is a FULL ROUND ACTION. You could get a penalty to your tumble check to do so though, and tumble at your full speed...

[NEO|Phyte]

No. Moving 5 feet while prone is a FULL ROUND ACTION. You could get a penalty to your tumble check to do so though, and tumble at your full speed...

Crawling
You can crawl 5 feet as a move action. Crawling incurs attacks of opportunity from any attackers who threaten you at any point of your crawl.

emphasis mine.