Iconic Characters

[Grizzled Gryphon]

Anyone ever see the stats for the Iconic characters? You know, Krusk, Mialee, Lidda, and all the rest?

I am just curious as to how they were built. Hopefully not as bad as the pre made characters from DnD Gameday, as those were horrible.

[InaVegt]

There are official 3.0 stats of them in enemies and allies, they're probably easy to update to 3.5 since they are (IIRC) build on core only.

Gezina van den Vechte, Fallen celestial, Champion of Hell

[Matthew]

Regdar appeared in the 3.0 PHB, I will post them shortly...

[Grizzled Gryphon]

Regdar appeared in the 3.0 PHB, I will post them shortly...

You will post "them" shortly? As in, all of them, or just redgar? Either way, that is awesome. I just wanted to clarify as you did say "them".

[AtomicKitKat]

I think the stats were also used when creating them for the Temple of Elemental Evil PC game.

[SpiderBrigade]

Miniatures Handbook has Vadania at level 3...

[Khantalas]

The 3.0 Book Enemies and Allies has stats for them at three different levels, I believe.

Although it is a very old book.

[Dant]

I think, though I'm not 100% positive, that the basic game set has stats for a number of the characters at level 1.

[InaVegt]

I'm only giving basic information here, no need to give information which doesn't follow from class/race

Alhandra, human paladin

5th level
Abilities: str 14, dex 8, con 12, int 10, wis 13, cha 16
Feats: Cleave, power attack, weapon focus (longsword)
Skills: Concentration +3, Diplomacy +11, Heal +7, Ride +7

I might give more later, if I feel like it.

Gezina van den Vechte, Fallen celestial, Champion of Hell

[Matthew]

You will post "them" shortly? As in, all of them, or just redgar? Either way, that is awesome. I just wanted to clarify as you did say "them".

Just Redgar, I'm afraid.

Name: Redgar
Class: Fighter 1
Race: Human
Age: 21
Gender: Male
Alignment: Neutral Good
Deity: None
Height: 74"
Weight: 180 lbs
Eyes: Brown
Hair: Black

Strength: 15 / +2
Dexterity: 12 / +1
Constitution: 14 / +2
Intelligence: 10 / +0
Wisdom: 08 / -1
Charisma: 13 / +1

Fortitude: +4
Reflex: +1
Willpower: -1

Feats: Weapon Focus (Great Sword), Power Attack, Cleave,
Skills: Climb 4(6), Handle Animal 4(5), Swim 4(6),
Equipment: Scale Armour, Great Sword, Short Bow, 20 Arrows,

A brief scry on Wizards resulted in this:

Jozan
Tordek
Lidda
Mialee

These appeared in the very odd Miniatures Playhouse Series

[Jade_Tarem]

Well, whatever you do, don't post on Eberk, the scourge of PC's. I didn't think it was possible to have stats that bad - I'm pretty sure everything but wisdom and constitution had a negative modifier.

[InaVegt]

Regdar is very bad as well, being fifth level and trying to specialise in both the longbow and the greatsword is a bad idea

Gezina van den Vechte, Fallen Celestial, Champion of Hell

[SpiderBrigade]

If you do some more digging, you can also find Ember and Devis.

[Matthew]

Spiderbigade, those links don't work for me...

Here you go:

Eberk

[Tengu]

It seems that Tordek is point buy 27, while everyone else has an elite array (aka 25). Curious. And of course, I wouldn't play a character with such piss-poor stats in DND, if I ever played this game.

[FdL]

I think the stats were also used when creating them for the Temple of Elemental Evil PC game.

Yes, it was nice to find them all as pre-designed characters. In fact, when I tried playing the game it was more interesting for me to try them than to make my own characters. :p

[although]

It seems that Tordek is point buy 27, while everyone else has an elite array (aka 25).

It looks like they just made a mistake on Tordek -- he's elite array, except that they forgot the -2 charisma modifier for being a dwarf.

[Tengu]

Of course it looks that way. But wonder did they really forget, or maybe there was another reason for this? Maybe they fought that he's not ugly enough for 6 cha?
Yes, I know that charisma != physical appearance. But some people at Wizards think that way.

[TO_Incognito]

I think, though I'm not 100% positive, that the basic game set has stats for a number of the characters at level 1.

Aye, four of them. Regdar, Eberk, Lidda, and that Sorceror guy.

[Dhavaer]

that Sorceror guy.

Hennet? char limit

[MaN]

These are the 1st level stats from the 3.0 Adventure Game and 3.5 Basic Game boxed sets.

Aramil
Good elf sorcerer
Str:8 Dex:16 Con:11 Int:10 Wis:12 Cha:15
Feat: toughness

Eberk
Good dwarf cleric
Str:12 Dex:8 Con:16 Int:10 Wis:15 Cha:11
Feat: martial weapon proficiency-warhammer

Kerwyn
Neutral human rogue
Str:12 Dex:15 Con:13 Int:14 Wis:10 Cha:8

Lidda
Neutral halfling rogue
Str:10 Dex:17 Con:13 Int:14 Wis:10 Cha:8
Feat: improved initiative

Naull
Good human wizard
Str:10 Dex:14 Con:13 Int:15 Wis:12 Cha:8

Regdar
Good human fighter
Str:15 Dex:12 Con:14 Int:10 Wis:8 Cha:13
Feats: cleave, power attack, weapon focus-greatsword

You could go to the WOTC website and search through the D&D Miniatures stat cards to find the rest of them. I don't have the connection speed or the inclination to do that myself.

[Matthew]

I thought the Miniature Stat cards worked differently?

[TO_Incognito]

Hennet?

Naw, it's some nobody named Aramil, like MaN said.

[Catharsis]

If you do some more digging, you can also find Ember and Devis.

Wow, low-level monks are incredibly weak with the "elite" array. She seems to wear a mithral shirt at later stages though -- does armor with no check penalty count as no armor nowadays?!

[Thomas]

I'd say it's another case of D&D writers not knowing how the game works...

[MaN]

I thought the Miniature Stat cards worked differently?

The reverse side of the stat card gives you roleplaying stats so you can drop them into your standard D&D game as NPCs.

Here's the reverse side of Ember's card:


Here's the link to the warband generator so you can find the rest: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mi/20031113x

[AriesOmega]

Stat cards....okay...I know this sounds stupid but do you have a link to this? I can always use stats for NPC's

[Tengu]

Funny how most of those characters have 8 charisma - how can the typical player not treat it as a dumpstat, if even WOTC encourage this?

[Thomas]

Funny how most of those characters have 8 charisma - how can the typical player not treat it as a dumpstat, if even WOTC encourage this?

Why would anyone who doesn't have Cha-based class skills or abilities put anything other than an 8 in it? Without the class skills, they'll suck at anything Cha-based anyway.

[Tengu]

It only shows how retarded elite arrays and generally low point buys are - you cannot have a character who's decent at everything and really good at one or two things. Everyone must have a dumpstat.

And strength is not very useful for most wizards or rogues.