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2014-06-23, 09:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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How powerful should I make the villain?
I'm a relatively new DM and in my adventure, the players are going to come to a ruined castle where a ghost named the Pale King rules. After making their way through his castle fighting skeletons and dreadguards along the way, they will enter the throne room and deal with the Pale King himself.
He is an elven ghost, and I'm worried that he will be too powerful for a party of 2nd-3rd level adventurers to beat. What level should I make him?
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2014-06-23, 09:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How powerful should I make the villain?
"None of us likes to be hated, none of us likes to be shunned. A natural result of these conditions is, that we consciously or unconsciously pay more attention to tuning our opinions to our neighbor’s pitch and preserving his approval than we do to examining the opinions searchingly and seeing to it that they are right and sound." - Mark Twain
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2014-06-23, 09:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-06-23, 09:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-06-23, 10:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How powerful should I make the villain?
For a low-level party of novice players... just "being a ghost", with no levels at all, sounds quite fearsome enough. Likely half the party can't touch him at all, unless you've gone out of your way to give them each a magic weapon.
I'd have the ghost appear and yell abuse and taunts at them for a couple of rounds. If they (at least, those who make their saving throws...) can think of anything effective to do to him in that time - then great, the fight is on. If, as seems more likely, they can't, then it would just taunt them and stalk off. Give them a chance to come up with some better ideas for next time.
As to "how powerful to make him" - that's tricky. He's a king, so he can't be a 1st level drone, but the more special you make him, the tougher he gets on top of an already challenging template. I would suggest, a 6-7th level druid. Then he can do cool druidic stuff that makes it obvious why he was a relative badass in life, but the 'ghost' thing - and the indoor location - severely gimps him now. (You can rule that being indoors means about one-third of the druid spell list just doesn't work, and being undead - and therefore out of touch with "living things" - screws another third, and means no animal companion. And of course most physical enhancers are utterly irrelevant. That leaves him pretty limited.)Last edited by veti; 2014-06-23 at 10:33 PM.
"None of us likes to be hated, none of us likes to be shunned. A natural result of these conditions is, that we consciously or unconsciously pay more attention to tuning our opinions to our neighbor’s pitch and preserving his approval than we do to examining the opinions searchingly and seeing to it that they are right and sound." - Mark Twain
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2014-06-23, 10:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How powerful should I make the villain?
You should probably also give the non-casters something to do. Perhaps there are several relics keeping him anchored to the Material Plane, and they can be sundered for a quick victory.
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2014-06-24, 04:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How powerful should I make the villain?
I'd make the king relatively easy, but give him a bunch of guards.
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2014-06-24, 07:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How powerful should I make the villain?
You could also combine the ideas of HammeredWharf and TandemChelipeds: Give the King a few undead guards (e.g. Zombies or Skeletons). They are what keeps him bound to the plane. The more they kill, the weaker the king will get. As veti said, they will not be able to fight effectively agains a ghost due to the incorporealness.
The King himself could be a more powerful character, but only do things to help his guards (e.g. heal them with negative energy) or hinder the party (entanglement, fear effects, affect the environment such as making parts of the ceiling come down to create difficult terain etc.), but not harm the party directly. Once they find out that killing the guards will get rid of the ghost (e.g. he gets more transparent or some other obvious effect, maybe it also lowers his combat strength), they should be able to finish this encounter without too many problems.Last edited by Firest Kathon; 2014-06-24 at 07:15 AM.
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2014-06-24, 07:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How powerful should I make the villain?
Have them fight a projection or a lieutenant of his, have him escape while shaking his fist angrily, and make him a recurring thorn in their side, until such time as they are his CR.
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2014-06-24, 10:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How powerful should I make the villain?
For 2-3 level characters, the ghosts Moan ability alone is enough to end an encounter, generally.
Do you intend him to be a recurring villain, or one they beat and are done with?
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2014-06-24, 03:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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One and done.
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2014-06-24, 03:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How powerful should I make the villain?
Then I'd definitely go with the zombie "bodyguards" who also serve as his links to this world. Don't bother with the ghost template or even building him. Instead, come up with a list of buffs he can cast on his minions and just have him use them as spell-like abilities. If you have the Spell Compendium, Snake's Swiftness 3/day and Mass Snake's Swiftness 1/day would be good as a start. Zombies with extra actions get kinda creepy.
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2014-06-24, 07:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How powerful should I make the villain?
Black text is for sarcasm, also sincerity. You'll just have to read between the lines and infer from context like an animal
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2014-06-24, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How powerful should I make the villain?
I'll also upvote the idea of a "puzzle"-type combat encounter. It would be useful if perhaps the Pale King is restricted in where he can go (bound to the site of his death or his throne or somesuch) and the guards and minions in his encounters move no faster than the slowest character in the party. This lets the players run away if things get too tough.
A good rule of thumb would be to make each guard 1-2 levels lower than the PCs, with the king about twice as strong as the average guard and a number of guards equal the number of PCs + 1.Last edited by jiriku; 2014-06-24 at 07:24 PM.
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