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2015-02-01, 09:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Oct 2013
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Character building and discussions about this
So my Pathfinder group wants to transit to another system called Degenesis, some post apocalyptic mumbo jumbo. Personally I am not excited but curious what the new setting and rules will bring. But having a whole new batch of characters to create and a new rules system out group comes to pretty shouty discussions.
What is best? Creating a character and then filling the charsheet or filling the char sheet and then creating a character around this (so called optimizing). My group is pretty pretty divided on that matter. No one wants themselves to be called minmaxxer, powergamer or munchkin and all people are too polite to call others these names. They rather indirectly but heavily imply those "qualities" within their rants.
I'm at a loss of words here. I am pretty nonconfrontational and I hatehatehate pointless fighting over what should be a fun gaming experience. It feels like someone is ranting about how they don't get to play as the dog in Monopoly. It's petty and I can't react anymore. Usually I am the guy trying to mediate the different opinions but I am at the edge of what I am willing to accept concerning a silly game.
One guy is doing a hissy fit because his concept merges "racial" bonusses with his class and this is seen as optimizing. The wife of the DM is threatening to not join our game (so we might not be able to play at their place when she's around) which I take as blatant blackmailing. I am unsure if the DM has adopted the opinion of his wife or if he is in fact sharing her opinion. Me and another player are trying to appease but in my terms I am pretty fed up with it.
tl;dr: My gaming group is arguing about how you should play a P&P RPG, threatening to leave, and telling others how they should play games and I am having none of it. How should I react?
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2015-02-01, 09:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Dec 2014
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2015-02-01, 09:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Oct 2009
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- In my library
Re: Character building and discussions about this
Oh boy, groups not agreeing on how to build characters, I have a bit of experience with this. One person actually dislikes me because I'm better at maths than him.
What is best? Creating a character and then filling the charsheet or filling the char sheet and then creating a character around this (so called optimizing).
My group is pretty pretty divided on that matter. No one wants themselves to be called minmaxxer, powergamer or munchkin and all people are too polite to call others these names. They rather indirectly but heavily imply those "qualities" within their rants.
I'm at a loss of words here. I am pretty nonconfrontational and I hatehatehate pointless fighting over what should be a fun gaming experience. It feels like someone is ranting about how they don't get to play as the dog in Monopoly. It's petty and I can't react anymore. Usually I am the guy trying to mediate the different opinions but I am at the edge of what I am willing to accept concerning a silly game.
One guy is doing a hissy fit because his concept merges "racial" bonusses with his class and this is seen as optimizing. The wife of the DM is threatening to not join our game (so we might not be able to play at their place when she's around) which I take as blatant blackmailing. I am unsure if the DM has adopted the opinion of his wife or if he is in fact sharing her opinion. Me and another player are trying to appease but in my terms I am pretty fed up with it.
tl;dr: My gaming group is arguing about how you should play a P&P RPG, threatening to leave, and telling others how they should play games and I am having none of it. How should I react?
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2015-02-01, 10:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Oct 2013
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- Germany
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Re: Character building and discussions about this
That's the twist. I actually like those people with their quirks and mannerisms but I CAN'T ****ING STAND THEIR SQUABBLING. We have an online forum and as useful it is to look up info, as terrible is it for discussing important things. I know this discussion ends nowhere and we will revert to the usual style of play. But this will pull other inevitable discussions while playing:
2 Players are adamant about keeping within rules 100% of the time. So if rules prohibit you from an action the DM is clearly okay with, would be a natural reaction and could be seen in any action movie (like throwing yourself in the line of fire), this starts a 5 minute discussion interrupting game flow, immersion and everything fun about roleplaying.
2 Players, the DM and me are pretty lenient about rules and use whatever fits the scene. We couldn't care less (although it hurts me a tad bit if the DM has to bend the rules to avoid my character's death).
I am close to leaving the table for the night if they start fighting over rules for another time but at the same time I feel like that is a bit too much and an immature response.
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2015-02-01, 10:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Nov 2014
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- Het Heru
Re: Character building and discussions about this
You like their quirks or you don't? People debate things. As a GM, I grew to accept the debates as part of the hobby.
Your GM is the problem. If all players want 100% RAW and the GM doesn't, his rulings will cause situations. He needs to get on board with the players. Simple.
So now players are lenient about the rules? Which is it: 100% rules or pretty lenient? That's a conflict in your thread.
Switch to Degenesis. It has less rules to argue about. 3.75 (Pathfinder) has so many rules, unless you have group consensus on play, you can argue them forever. It's why I refuse to run that version of D&D.Last edited by dream; 2015-02-01 at 10:59 AM.
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All my games are on hiatus. I need to (per my editor) take some time for my book. I will return - hopefully in 2-4 weeks.
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2015-02-01, 11:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Oct 2013
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Re: Character building and discussions about this
So now players are lenient about the rules? Which is it: 100% rules or pretty lenient? That's a conflict in your thread.
2 players want RAW. 3 players and the DM want leniency.
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2015-02-01, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Nov 2012
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- Cambridge, MA
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Re: Character building and discussions about this
Choosing the dog in monopoly is optimizing?
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2015-02-01, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Nov 2014
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- Het Heru
Re: Character building and discussions about this
Your group needs The Same Page tool. Having everyone in agreement on how your game will be played is crucial. That's why you have all those debates; there's no initial agreement.
Show that link to your group, discuss it, & get them playing like a group shouldWrath of the Righteous! (Alpha)
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All my games are on hiatus. I need to (per my editor) take some time for my book. I will return - hopefully in 2-4 weeks.
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2015-02-01, 12:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Oct 2013
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2015-02-02, 11:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Jun 2012
Re: Character building and discussions about this
"The correct way to play is whatever will give us all the most fun at the table. Matt, you like being inspired by the game. Mark, you take inspiration from elsewhere and like trying to make that in the game. It's all good. Arguing like this isn't fun for me, and I don't think is for you. Now can we please stop arguing and get back to playing."
But the fundamental issue is that you have two sets of understandings of what the rules are. To one group the rules are to guide you towards the fun. To the other they are the bedrock of the game, and tabletop roleplaying while the rules are mutable is like trying to drive when you are hallucinating and it can read to disaster. The world simply doesn't behave how you expect. Honestly the answer to this is "Find a game with better rules - ones you don't need to warp to do what you want."Currently in playtesting, now with optional rules for a cover based sci-fi shooter.
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2015-02-02, 04:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Oct 2010
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- Dallas, TX
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Re: Character building and discussions about this
Repeat, over and over again, "There is no rule that says one player can tell another player how to create a character. Create your own character your way, and let him create his own his way."
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2015-02-03, 06:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Oct 2013
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Re: Character building and discussions about this
Fast forward two days. Our game is now postponed until further notice because two of the five players as well as the DM don't want to continue without having a discussion. If I am honest, I like those guys, but I couldn't give less of a frick onto who hurt which one's feelings with which post in our private forum...
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