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2007-04-25, 06:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Can my horse cast spells?
What's the easiest way to get a horse to be able to cast spells?
Can it qualify for PC levels if it has the Celestial template?
I want it to be able to Alter Self.
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2007-04-25, 06:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-04-25, 06:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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hmm it depends is this your run of the mill hourse or you paladin mount
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2007-04-25, 06:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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To take PC levels, a creature must have at least 3 Int. Celestial works, but you'd probably be better off getting a Druid to Awaken him (at least you'll be able to communicate with the animal).
Of course, this won't work if your horse is an animal companion or special mount: They cannot be Awakened without losing that status.
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2007-04-25, 06:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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What is it's intelligence? A normal horse doesn't have high enough mental scores to be much more than a coat-hanger. If he's Awakened, that opens up a world of possibilities. I doubt a horse will have a draconic heritage, so wizard levels will be best.
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2007-04-25, 07:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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And, if you get a high Int with awaken, the key to your success would be the feat Surrogate Spellcasting, from Savage Species. Basically, allows a non-humanoid body to replace verbal and somatic components with ones that are more fitting for their race. For a horse, it's probably be stanping of feet, swatting of tail, and neighing. Also, you'd want a sturdy spellbook, so your teeth (whihc you'd need to use to manipulate objects) wouldn't damage your spellbook.
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2007-04-25, 07:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think a horse can qualify as being able to complete the somatic components of arcane spells. You might be able to get it to cast divine spells. Maybe a druid? A cleric if you want to get really cheesy. What does an intelligent horse worship?
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2007-04-25, 07:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Awaken is the best way to do it
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2007-04-25, 07:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Pardon, but does this topic strike anyone else as a little odd? What need could there be for a horse, specifically, to be able to polymorph itself?
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2007-04-25, 07:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Note if you awaken him he is now an npc, thus he is controlled by the DM. Perhaps he will allow you to make him a cohort.
If you have savage species things open up. Hands (hooves of man), the feat someone already mentioned to modify verbal/somatic components. Those horseshoes that make you appear as a nightmare and give you a huge untyped bonus to int...Stupendous Man drawn by Linklele
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2007-04-25, 07:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Headband of intelligence.
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2007-04-25, 07:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ha! The Transformation domain, brought to you by Races of Eberron, gives Alter Self to clerics. Horses have a Wisdom score high enough to cast 2nd-level cleric spells, so give your equine friend a +2 Headband of Intellect (for the requisite 3 Int) along with the feat Surrogate Spellcasting and you're done.
Well, except for the little matter of getting a horse to hit level 3.Last edited by Inyssius Tor; 2007-04-25 at 07:19 PM.
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2007-04-25, 07:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Make it a psion! Then it will have no need for such petty concerns as V, S, M components!
Oh, wait, I don't think psions can do anything similar to Alter Self. Divine casting might be better: Awakened Horses have 3d6 Int, 12-13 Wis, and 6 + 1d3 Cha, so Wis is the most reliable casting stat (it's quite possible to roll better Int, but Wizards have to keep track of spellbooks, so that's too much trouble).
Heck, just convince him to train in the druidic mysteries alongside whoever Awakens him (unless it's a UMD Rogue, Archivist, Chameleon, or somesuch). Wild Shape lets him become a different Animal, and it's not like Alter Self would do much of anything different (remember, same type as your normal form).
By the way, while we're talking about Alter Self:
You assume the form of a creature of the same type as your normal form. The new form must be within one size category of your normal size. The maximum HD of an assumed form is equal to your caster level, to a maximum of 5 HD at 5th level. You can change into a member of your own kind or even into yourself.
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2007-04-25, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-04-25, 07:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Make it a familiar, then you can imbue it with spell-like abilities.
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2007-04-25, 08:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Its important to know if this creature is an animal companion or similar. If it's not, just have a druid cast Awaken, and treat it nice. Then let it take levels in an appropriate casting class.
If it is one, I'm not sure how doable it is, as familiars and the like can't have class levels.
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2007-04-25, 09:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wow, so I just realized that my Giant Owl, the one with 14 Wis and 10 Int, is quite eligible for...something.
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2007-04-25, 10:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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A Cleric can cast Imbue with Spell Ability to grant spells to anything that has at least 5 int and 9 wis. The creature needs 5 HD to be able to receive 2nd level spells through this, though.
And one serious problem that both this and most of the above have: To cast a spell with a verbal component, you must be able to speak. To cast a spell with a somatic component, you must have humanlike hands, or something else capable of fine manipulation. Horses possess neither ability, so no matter how smart you make them, they can't cast spells requiring either. Or, to put it more plainly,
A horse is a horse, of course, of course,
And no one can talk to a horse of course
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It could, but does not have to be, a paladin mount. If not, it would certainly be a cohort.
So, it sound like Celestial template, Awaken spell, or a Headband would all get him the Intelligence of at least 3, and that's the only requirement for taking PC levels?
Awaken would allow speech and Surrogate Spellcasting allows somatic components. Is human speech stricly necesary for verbal components - neighing wouldn't work?
Horses have no LA listed. What would the ECL and LA be? I'm kind of fuzzy on those concepts.
I think Sorcerror works better than Wizard, especially if his Int only gets up to 3. That whole dragion-bred thing is described as rumor in the PHB anyway.
As for why he'd need to polymorph, I just kind of thought it would be fun, especially if he could polymorph into a hawk or something for indoors adventurs. I don't plan on being much of a spellcaster myself, beyond some ranks of paladin.
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2007-04-26, 05:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Having non ECL creatures as cohorts is outside of the rules. Ask your DM.
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2007-04-26, 07:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Since your already using 3.0 stuff (Savage Species) you could always make your horse an anthropomorphic horse, gives it the hands and IIRC the voice to cast V and S spells, as well as having a listed LA/RHD. Some of them are a bit broken (anthro. bat makes for an insane druid- +6 wisdom and no LA)