What Would They Be (If They Were in D&D)?

[Runa]

I saw a thread discussing Batman as a D&D character, and it occurred to me it might be fun to see how the heck people think one could build D&D characters out of other fictional characters (Zapp Brannigan excluded, as he's already got a thread about him :P).

For starters: some of the cast of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Xander Harris: Commoner with a lot of ranks in Craft and decent (but not spectacular) Cha. No ranks in Bluff though, and only a couple in Diplomacy. Why? He's the only one who NEVER had powers and the only time he had special abilities was the Halloween episode where they turned into their costumes (he was dressed as a soldier) so that was temporary. He is, however, good at construction and repairing things. He's funny (high Cha), but he's not a particularly good liar (no ranks in Bluff), and he's sometimes good at interpersonal diplomacy (see for example talking Willow down from her angst-and-anger-riddled black magic binge at the end of season 6), but sometimes just messes up so it's hit or miss. Notable is that he's had two different steady girlfriends - one of whom wouldn't normally go out with him, (Cordelia in her high school days), the other of whom had been burned badly in a previous relationship and spent the past few centuries being a Vengeance Demon who specialize in hurting men. And then there's the brief sexual tension between he and Willow in season 3. Face it, he HAS to have decent Cha. But, he messes up on occasion, so obviously he needs more of those Diplomacy ranks. :P Skill focus is carpentry of course. Probably CG alignment.

Willow Rosenberg: Wizard, obviously. High level at that (but then, she's been playing for several years so... ). High INT but not necessarily a high WIS; she's clever but is fairly naive at times about how dangerous magic can be if you mess with it the wrong way. Low STR; she's a caster, not a Fighter for sure. Average to high Cha I think, or somewhere thereabouts; she's attracted two different lovers both of whom loved her deeply. Diplomacy... hmm, she has some ranks in it but rolled an awful lot of natural ones during season 6, poor dear. Alignment varies depending on the part of the series, but I believe she is predominantly CG as well... though she dipped into Neutral and then Evil alignment in season 6, only to bounce back to Good by season 7.

Buffy Summers: This is actually fairly hard in some ways. Ability scores not so hard though. Extremely high (like 18... or more, after all, we can probably count her race as Slayer instead of just human, she is portrayed as superhuman after all) Con (Rapid healing and ability to take way more than normal damage), Dex (very nimble, fast reflexes, excellent at handling objects large and small alike, etc.), and Str (superhuman strength and speed, remember?), with also fairly high Cha (seems charming enough, capable of leading, attracted two seperate guys even not counting the one with a fetish for Slayers, etc.) and Int (manages to get some pretty clever deductions out you know, plus good at figuring out things' weaknesses), not so high on Wis though, as she's impulsive. She obviously has proficiency in every category of weapon ever made, pretty much (with Weapon Finesse in several of them, say Wooden Stake, Sword, Battleaxe), has both Two-Weapon Fighting and Unarmed fighting abilities, and does not appear to take a -4 penalty on improvised weapons (we've seen her use a No. 2 pencil as a stake with no problem, we've seen her trick a vampire into swallowing Holy Water which killed it, or using bottles of Holy Water as a sort of Acid Flask for vampires, etc.). She also obviously has MASSIVE hit points. Decent ranks in Bluff (again: tricked a vampire into drinking Holy Water) and Diplomacy (she'd have to be to lead as well as she does), considerable ranks in Spot, Hide, Move Silently, max or near-max ranks in Tumble, Jump, Balance and Climb, and quite a few ranks in Search, Gather Information, and Intimidate, and a couple in Craft (Stake) (We've seen her whittling them, as I recall). She's obviously Good-aligned, though whether she's Neutral or Chaotic depends probably on interpretation, but my bet's on Chaotic; she's basically shown for the most part that she can and will bend the rules considerably if it means saving the day (or those she loves), something Lawful-aligned don't seem prone to do nearly as often as she does, and which seems more Chaotic. Though she may have a Lawful streak in her, I will admit. What do you suppose, high level Monk/Rogue/Fighter? Definitely elements of a Rogue and Fighter is obvious...

Any others? Or comments on these?

-Runa

[Serenity]

Daniel 'Oz' Osbourne: Low to mid-level Bard afflicted with Lycanthropy. Maxed ranks in Perform (Guitar/Sarcasm). High Int (Willow identifies him as 'some kind of supergenius', and he, like her, was tapped for a job at a computer company), but low Wis (He simply didn't take his finals, the Veruka incident). Decent charisma, but not exceptional. He's attractive, good-natured, and a lead band member, but he's also a tad taciturn. Str, dex, and con are all decent, probably at around the same level as Xander when he's not a wolf. Neutral or Chaotic Good.

Rupert Giles: Archivist with a level or two of fighter. Physical stats are average, Intelligence and Wisdom exceptional, probably 18. Full ranks in Knowledge (The Planes, Arcana, Religion) and Perform (Guitar/Singing). Almost certainly Lawful Good.

Now for Firefly, we'll have to go into the Modern system...

Jayne 'Hero of Canton' Cobb: Strong/Tough Hero, with the Enforcer Advanced Class (Basically, Barbarian with a bit of Rogue-style fightin' dirty.) He takes every weapon proficiency and brawling feat he can get his grubby hands on. Intelligence is abysmal, and Wisdom's hardly better, but Str and Con are about as high as they come. Probably not particularly fast, though. Alignment TN or CN. He ain't exactly evil, but totally selfish. Oh, and he's also got Perform (Guitar)

Hoban 'Wash' Washburne: Smart/Fast Hero. He's taken max ranks in Navigate, Pilot, Drive, and Perform (Comedy). Some ranks in Knowledge (Technology) and Repair, enough that he can back up Kaylee in repiars. Slightly above average Strength ("I'm a large, semi-muscular man"), decent Dex. Excellent Charisma, considering who his wife is. NG.

River Tam: As of the movie, I'd say just give her divine rank and be done with it. Seriously though, her stats would probably awfully similar to Buffy's, only with superhuman intelligence of well above 18. Levels in Telepath. Her psychosis gives hefty penalties to any influence type skills, but serious bonuses to Intimidate. Alignment: True Neutral. She's a force of nature, and too crazy to have much of a moral code. She just knows the people who love her and she'll do everything to protect them.

[kjones]

I might actually stat out Willow and Tara as Druids rather than Wizards... Of course, the magic systems are very difficult to compare, and of course there's no wildshaping/animal companions going on. However, a lot of their spells have a very ritualistic component to them, with circles and candles and so forth, which seems to me to fit with druidic magic better than arcane. Also, Willow deserves a lot of Knowledge ranks, along with her computer skills (rebuilding the Buffy-bot?)

Furthermore, I think you're really selling Xander short. His greatest strength is something that's hard to determine in the context of a D&D game, but the best way I can say it is "heart"... Xander is really the only main character who is truly good at heart, without the twinges of darkness in Buffy (Angel? Spike? Faith? Coming back from the dead?) Willow (Season Six, but really it starts in "Becoming, Part Two" in Season Two) Giles (his past) Anya (demon, selfish) Oz (werewolf) Spike and Angel (figure it out for yourself) etc. He's the only one without any special powers, and yet in episodes like "The Zeppo", Season Three, and of course at the end of Seasons Five and Six, it's abundantly clear that he is an indispensable member of the Scoobies.

So how do you encompass "heart" in a statistic? I would say Wisdom, but he obviously failed his Will save badly on his wedding day... I'd have to say Charisma. Charisma, of course, represents "force of personality", and while Xander is kind of a loser sometimes, he's got... well, heart.

[Runa]

I might actually stat out Willow and Tara as Druids rather than Wizards... Of course, the magic systems are very difficult to compare, and of course there's no wildshaping/animal companions going on. However, a lot of their spells have a very ritualistic component to them, with circles and candles and so forth, which seems to me to fit with druidic magic better than arcane. Also, Willow deserves a lot of Knowledge ranks, along with her computer skills (rebuilding the Buffy-bot?)

Ah I can't believe I forgot the tech stuff. A generic "Knowledge (Technology)" category would seem to fit that. Top ranks in that!

Of course, I suppose Willow would then be a Druid/Wizard then, seeing as she does perform some obviously arcane-style spells later (see season 6 finale. What she did to Warren Mears was more along the lines of arcane magic, wasn't it? Not ritual there).

Furthermore, I think you're really selling Xander short. His greatest strength is something that's hard to determine in the context of a D&D game, but the best way I can say it is "heart"... Xander is really the only main character who is truly good at heart, without the twinges of darkness in Buffy (Angel? Spike? Faith? Coming back from the dead?) Willow (Season Six, but really it starts in "Becoming, Part Two" in Season Two) Giles (his past) Anya (demon, selfish) Oz (werewolf) Spike and Angel (figure it out for yourself) etc. He's the only one without any special powers, and yet in episodes like "The Zeppo", Season Three, and of course at the end of Seasons Five and Six, it's abundantly clear that he is an indispensable member of the Scoobies.

True, but that wasn't something I could figure out how to stat. Except maybe as higher Cha than I really gave him credit for. :P

So how do you encompass "heart" in a statistic? I would say Wisdom, but he obviously failed his Will save badly on his wedding day... I'd have to say Charisma. Charisma, of course, represents "force of personality", and while Xander is kind of a loser sometimes, he's got... well, heart.

Yeah, I suppose 18 Cha (or better for all I know) paired with a Good alignment is closer to capturing him... as little as you can capture him in pure stats, anyway. This is one of those cases where I would say the meat of a character is really how they're played, not in how they're put down in numbers and ability notations on a character sheet. You can sort of tell something about Buffy and Willow and etc. from their basic stats - that Willow is a bit nerdy and embraces magic and technology about equally should come off easily through the high Int, the Wizard class or multiclassing, and Knowledge (Technology) ranks; that Buffy is a warrior for good is obvious from her alignment and her abilities and all of that. But how integral Xander is the to party, er, Scoobies, really doesn't come off in the stats at all. At ALL.

Goes to show how much a good story - whether in teleplay or roleplay format - will often depend on the players and how they play, more than on any simple collection of abilities and statistics. Heh.

Serenity: Heh, I had to laugh when you said that bit about River. What makes it even funnier now that I think about it is that in the official Roleplaying Game core rulebook for Serenity, they have example profiles of each of the nine main characters... and it is noted that River had to be toned down from her movie version in order to provide balanced play! XD *snerk!* Divine rank, no kidding...

-Runa

[Serenity]

Aye, I've got that one. After taking down a roomful of Reavers, I doubt River would have much trouble with the Hecatonchieres.

Shepherd Derrial Book: Smart/Dedicated Hero, high Wisdom and Charisma--he is a priest, after all. Mark down military for his occupation, that being background rather than what the character does now. He wasn't always a Shepherd, and whatever he was exactly, it was clearly some sort of warrior, most likely an Operative or similar. Highly proficient with firearms, as well as some Combat Martial Arts feats. LG.

Inara Serra: Charismatic/Dedicated/Personality. After all, the whole reason Mal keeps her around, aside from UST is the prestige and access she brings Serenity. Maxed out Charisma and a pretty exceptional Dex as well, Companioning ("Can I use Companion as a verb?") requiring a certain degree of grace. High ranks in Diplomacy, Sense Motive, etc.--she's been trained to be empathic and appealing. Proficient with rapiers and crossbows. Lawful Good.

[Thexare Blademoon]

Stepping away from two things I know nothing about, let's go to Zelda. :)

Link
Ok, let's see. Fire Rod, Ice Rod, Bombos, Ether, and Quake (which appear as medallions, leading me to think scroll-like)... that implies a damn good UMD score. His fighting abilities tell me that he's got Fighter (or maybe Warblade, but I'm sticking with SRD) levels...

LttP:
Fighter 6/bonus feat Rogue 4/Battle Scion 10, max ranks in UMD.

Alignment: Neutral Good is my best guess.
Stats:
14 Str - while strong on his own, he usually has strength-enhancing gear to add to his power.
12 Dex - Though we've seen little that implies he's agile (much of that is from his equipment), he doesn't wear armor, so it could be assumed...
12 Con - Again, an issue of items that are picked up. For the "heart container" effect, boost Con at every level, I guess.
14 Int - How many puzzles does he get stuck solving?
12 Wis - Not much to say here. Partially ties into the above, as Wisdom affects your perception.
10/20 Cha - 20: He never talks and everyone still knows what he's saying. (joke) 10: Well, nothing to go by here...

To add OoT... don't. Din's Fire (and the others) seem to not be cast from items, which would mean you'd have to add some sort of spellcaster, and the rest of the build would hold that back quite a bit. But if you insist, replace Fighter and Battle Scion with 15 levels of Duskblade, I suppose, and add max ranks in Ride and Tumble. Still, seperating LttP and OoT Link seems best to me.

Also: Needs immunity to fear as a feat. Triforce of Courage and all that...

[AtomicKitKat]

Willow would probably be Expert 2(focused on Technology), leading into Wizard.

Xander is Commoner 1/Warrior 1/Expert ??(Plain student, possesses "experience" left over from the costume, and he's now a Carpenter/Construction Worker.)

[Kaerou]

My friends got into a discussion over what class and level build Waylander is..

[JaronK]

Staying within D&D:

Mal Reynolds: Fighter 2/Marshal 2/Rogue 3. He's an experienced warrior who's not above using sneaky tricks to gain the upper hand, but he's not the best fighter out there. Feats probably used to increase shooting. Also, he's got the Landlord feat for his ship. Lawful Nuetral. Probably was Lawful Good, but has strayed a bit. Still tends back towards good when he has the chance. I say Lawful despite his problems with authority... he has a strong enough honor code to get him into trouble sometimes.

Jayne Cobb: Fighter 4/Monk 2/Rogue 1. Good close in fighter, definitely with Improved Grapple, and a decent ranged fighter as well. Chaotic Evil, but respects Mal.

Wash: Expert 7. Hey, he's a pilot. Nuetral Good. Probably Ex Chaotic Good, but his wife moved him more in the Lawful direction over the course of the series.

Zoe: Fighter 4/Ranger 2/Rogue 1. Like Jayne, she's a good warrior, and not above using underhanded tactics when events call for them. Lawful Nuetral, probably was Lawful Evil during the war, but Wash mellowed her out some.

Kayli: Expert 7, specialized more towards engineering than Wash. Definitely Chaotic Good.

Simon: Expert 7. Nuetral Good.

Inara Sarrah: Fighter 1/Expert 5/Marshal 1. More charismatic than the other skill types, and has some actual fighting experience in a pinch, though we rarely see it during the show. Definitely the beginnings of a diplomancer here. Chaotic Good... she grates against authority and has a distinct sense of Wanderlust.

River Tam: Gestalt Swordsage 5/Monk 1/Shou Disciple 5//Telepath 11 with Up the Walls and a variety of other tricks, plus Flaw: kinda nuts. Yeah, she's overpowered, and her stats are likely a bit too high too, but whatever, she's clearly played by the DM's girlfriend. Chaotic Nuetral. Wants to be Chaotic Good, but we'll have to wait till she stabalizes more for that to take place.

JaronK

[GryffonDurime]

Personally, I think little Willow's an Ultimate Magus, combining her prepared ritual casting pre-Glory with her spontaneous casting post. But that's just me.

Willow Rosenburg, Wiccan Fury: Wizard 5/Sorcerer 2/Ultimate Magus 10/Archmage 3


Now, for slightly more esoteric options, I turn to...

The Spellbinder, Ashka Expert 20
Maxed out ranks in Use Magic Device (though, in all fairness, it's not really magic), and like everyone else in the show, maxed ranks in Bluff. Seriously, the girl can lie. She can lie 'til the cows come home, then she can look you in the eye and tell you that the cows haven't come home yet and probably make you believe it. Possibly a few levels in Rogue (for backstab...I mean Sneak Attack) and Artificer (she at least knew basic science enough to repair her suit).

Vala Mal Duran Rogue 14/Bard 6
Granted, she doesn't do magic, but she certainly knows enough bits of esoterica to qualify for Bardic Knowledge. Only half-maxed ranks in Bluff, but she thinks she's got truly epic scores in it. Charisma out the yin-yang.

Daniel Jackson Expert 2/Bard 8/Loremaster 10
Equally versed in cosmic ephemera...maxed ranks in all non-scientific Knowledges, Diplomacy, and probably about 40 ranks invested into Speak Language.

The Doctor
The Doctor is, without doubt, truly epic. I'm going to start him off with a healthy 20 Outsider HD, with the subtype (Native: Time Lord). From there, let's toss in Expert 20, and as of the new season Psion 10/Slayer (Dalek) 10...you know what? Add in a divine castingless Archivist 20; he's got too much Dark Knowledge not to have it.

He has a robust 73 ranks in all Knowledge skills, Bluff, Use Magic/Psionic Device...

[skywalker]

she's clearly played by the DM's girlfriend.

HAha. I love it.

JaronK, I also like how you're keeping the levels low for the other serenity characters. They clearly aren't that powerful...

[Nerd-o-rama]

Heh. I've been catching up on Buffy the 90's pop culture icon I never watched on the air lately. I like stuff mentioned here, but I will mention another couple things.

First, in yet another dissenting opinion on Xander, I think he's best represented in D&D as a straight Expert. He does a few things, best represented by skills, mundanely but very well. Diplomacy, Intimidate (watch "The Zeppo, season 3), Sense Motive, Knowledge(nothing useful). Zero mystical abilities that would make him a Bard or Factotum, no real combat skills (maybe Warrior 1 from his residual combat knowledge). He's also the most firmly Good character on the show, barring a few instances of petty selfishness and a terrible taste in women. Probably ethically Neutral, but I hate to pin down a Joss Whedon character to any particular alignment.

As of the Buffy Season 8 comics (yeah, I read 'em without finishing the series. Sue me, I know all the spoilers by now), he's a competent paramilitary commander. Perhaps he's earned a few Marshal levels, or something from Heroes of Battle.

I've seen Buffy represented rather accurately as a Ranger(minor, just for the Favored enemy and ranged combat boosts)/Monk (for the kung fu)/Shou Disciple (for the kung fu swordfighting).

Cordelia Chase. Bard for a base class (ranks in Perform: Cheerleading, not Acting), and. Hmm. What gives oracular ability other than some kind of custom Template. Can bards do Divine Oracle fairly well?

The demons of the Buffy universe pretty much require homebrewing, being entirely unlike the general D&D cosmology. As an example, Anya(nka) has the wish-granting/tempting portfolios of a Glabrezu with the vengeance/hot girl ideas of an Erinyes. And then gets turned into a human commoner. Ouch.

Oh, and Willow's a Druid. It's just that her animal companion turned back into a human and is now trying to kill her.

Finally, I'd like to say that if I was running a clone campaign of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, I'd probably use the New World of Darkness base rules. They allow for more varied and modern characters, like a Mage with a lot of ranks in Computers. Maybe Old World of Darkness Hunter and Mage, but then Xander is just screwed.

[Ethdred]

Bard for a base class (ranks in Perform: Cheerleading, not Acting)

That is just such a great idea for a Bard character - would fit with the inspire type abilities, and presumably the fascinate ability is based on the short skirt!

[Shadow of the Sun]

I wonder how you'd stat out Elric of Melnibone? I'd at assume he'd be something like a Swordsage. With a CON and STR of about 3 each.

[Dhavaer]

I wonder how you'd stat out Elric of Melnibone? I'd at assume he'd be something like a Swordsage. With a CON and STR of about 3 each.

Maybe Warblade/Binder? He seemed more of the intelligent type to me. Or just Fighter/Binder, possibly.

[kjones]

I would have to give Cordy NPC classes, at least until the end of Season 3 (where she goes off to be on Angel) simply because, well, she's not that good at anything, really.

Willow's magic produces an interesting conundrum. Obviously, the magical system is very different from anything in D&D... for example, "simple" things that she does are telekinetic actions, which have no real equivalent within cantrips. (except maybe open/close? or something?) Furthermore, she cast Raise Dead in Season Six... So we'd have to give her a bunch of cleric levels...

I think the best thing to do is make her a druid/wizard, but somehow have her druid levels count towards her wizard spells, kind of like a mystic theurge. She's decently high level by the time she goes all Dragonball Z at the end of Season Six.

Now, how about the Trio? Or Adam? Or, for that matter, any of the vamps?

[Serenity]

I'd say Mal's pretty clearly CG; he's got a distinct Robin Hood-esque ethos. And I'd call Inara Lawful; she plays by the rules of her profession.

[Sundog]

Maybe Warblade/Binder? He seemed more of the intelligent type to me. Or just Fighter/Binder, possibly.

Simply Fighter 1/Wizard 5/Cleric 5/ Mystic Theurge lots. He's supposed to be a great wizard, which in his world includes consorting with/working for a god or gods (thus the Mystic Theurge). Most of his hand-to-hand "skill" actually comes from Stormbringer. Al:TN. He wants to be better than he is, but is strongly linked to forces of pure evil.

"I was ever more evil than thou."

[Telonius]

Stepping away from two things I know nothing about, let's go to Zelda. :)

Link
Ok, let's see. Fire Rod, Ice Rod, Bombos, Ether, and Quake (which appear as medallions, leading me to think scroll-like)... that implies a damn good UMD score. His fighting abilities tell me that he's got Fighter (or maybe Warblade, but I'm sticking with SRD) levels...

LttP:
Fighter 6/bonus feat Rogue 4/Battle Scion 10, max ranks in UMD.

Alignment: Neutral Good is my best guess.
Stats:
14 Str - while strong on his own, he usually has strength-enhancing gear to add to his power.
12 Dex - Though we've seen little that implies he's agile (much of that is from his equipment), he doesn't wear armor, so it could be assumed...
12 Con - Again, an issue of items that are picked up. For the "heart container" effect, boost Con at every level, I guess.
14 Int - How many puzzles does he get stuck solving?
12 Wis - Not much to say here. Partially ties into the above, as Wisdom affects your perception.
10/20 Cha - 20: He never talks and everyone still knows what he's saying. (joke) 10: Well, nothing to go by here...

To add OoT... don't. Din's Fire (and the others) seem to not be cast from items, which would mean you'd have to add some sort of spellcaster, and the rest of the build would hold that back quite a bit. But if you insist, replace Fighter and Battle Scion with 15 levels of Duskblade, I suppose, and add max ranks in Ride and Tumble. Still, seperating LttP and OoT Link seems best to me.

Also: Needs immunity to fear as a feat. Triforce of Courage and all that...

I've seen some suggestions that it's possible to stat him as a soulknife/soulbow, with the "throwing swords" attacks. But it's also possible he picked up some levels of Artificer. Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Boomerang is a necessity, as is some proficiency in the bow.

[The Vorpal Tribble]

I've been working on statting up some fellows (especially with Uncon coming in a couple months on Wizards).

Two I've been working on is Sylar from Heroes and Dean Winchester from Supernatural.

The first I'm giving a few levels in commoner until he meets the prerequisites for Master of the Unseen Hand PrC. The rest of his abilities I'm just going to have to give as 'at will' spell-likes. Defientely chaotic evil.

Dean is definetely an Urban Ranger (non-magical variant) with favored enemy (undead) and (outsider: evil). Not sure if he's quite 10th level, though if so also throw in (monstrous humanoid). He'd be more of a d20 modern though, so I'd give him rapid shot with his guns. Not sure about his alignment... really he should be chaotic good, giving his soul over to save his brother and all, but then again he gets pretty vicious with those he fights. Most like chaotic good with neutral tendencies.

[elliott20]

I've seen some suggestions that it's possible to stat him as a soulknife/soulbow, with the "throwing swords" attacks. But it's also possible he picked up some levels of Artificer. Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Boomerang is a necessity, as is some proficiency in the bow.

I actually would be hesistant to stat out link for the very reason that depending upon which game you play, he's a completely different character.

[Ditto]

Xander is definitely high-Wis, low-Cha. Wis helps with Craft, and remember instances like the insanely-sagelike-advice "Listen to your heart" speech from Into the Woods? He's funny and all, but not terrifically attractive (not just looks, of course, since he's not exactly homely). Definitely Expert over Commoner.

Buffy doesn't get high Int scores for being clever. Willow and Giles are the clever ones. I don't care if the gets 1480s on her SATs. Season 7 Buffy definitely started putting ranks into Intimidate over Bluff/Diplomacy... and I don't think she's a Diplomacy sort of leader. She doesn't need to convince her friends to come help, they just do it. Or don't. Whichever. I wouldn't call her a Rogue, since the massive skills don't fit (mostly the Thief-y ones like Disable Device, Open Lock)... then again, I wouldn't give her the high Int to grant her max ranks in too many skills, so I guess it balances. Craft (Stake) is silly. That's like Craft (Quarterstaff) - untrained is plenty, since it has negligible cost. (Interesting fact: Because cost is negligible, theoretically crafting time is negligible. Therefore, you could Craft an number of Quarterstaves limited only be how many trees are within arm's reach as a free action - but it still takes a @#%! move action to draw one!)

I like Giles being an Archivist just because the name is so fitting, but he and all Watchers are definitely Wizards.

[melchizedek]

I wouldn't call any of the Watcher's Wizards. The only time Giles shows any magical powers is when the coven grants him the powers to face Willow at the end of season 6. Archivist may work. He probably has at least one level of fighter.

[JaronK]

I'd say Mal's pretty clearly CG; he's got a distinct Robin Hood-esque ethos. And I'd call Inara Lawful; she plays by the rules of her profession.

Joss Whedon characters are of course not easy to pin down to a single alignment, but Mal's honor code regularly comes up. He's willing to put doing the honorable thing above his own survival on multiple occasions (the duel, crossing Miska, etc), and is very clear that his word is law ("I do a job. I get paid"). Despite his Robin Hood ethos, he's clearly lawful... he just believes in looking out for the little guy and disagrees with the current government.

Inara, meanwhile, is often said to have had the potencial to do anything in her profession, but her wanderlust and rejection of authority kept getting in the way. She may play by most of the official rules as necessary for the job, but she goes about this in a way that very few companions would, mostly so that she can have plenty of freedom. That screams Chaotic alignment in a profession that rewards the Lawful.

JaronK

[Quietus]

Two I've been working on is Sylar from Heroes and Dean Winchester from Supernatural.

The first I'm giving a few levels in commoner until he meets the prerequisites for Master of the Unseen Hand PrC. The rest of his abilities I'm just going to have to give as 'at will' spell-likes. Defientely chaotic evil.

While I do like the Master of the Unseen Hand idea, I also think that for Sylar, you'd have to homebrew something to allow him to enter a class similar to the Illithid Savant, which lets him eat brains to gain powers.

[elliott20]

I personally feel that Mal's character as is just doesn't fit very well into the standard D&D setting. Much of his background is hinged on a military past and giving rogue levels just feels.... well.... off.

At the core Mal is a military man who becomes jaded with the authority he served and left to form his own little brigade.

from that standpoint, seeing as the default military man profession is usually fighter, I think that would have made a better primary class choice.

Perhaps he leveled up in fighter up to a certain point where he could obtain leadership (gaining Zoe as a cohort) and proficiencies in most weaponry that is common to the setting. So, trade in the pistol with shortsword/longsowrd, rifle with a polearm, and then make him go from idealist to jaded war vet and you have Mal.

Zoe, considering her background training, would also receive a similar treatment.

Wash is somebody I think we would ALL have problems with. After all, in D&D you can't get good at anything without becoming better at combat yourself. Wash never exhibits any real combat prowess in any fashion. All he ever does is fly the ship (extremely well, no less). If there is any equivalent of a piloting skill, it probably would all go to something like "ride" or "navigation" or some equivalent. By necessity, Wash would probably be an expert of comparable level to Zoe and Mal, though by virtue of being an expert he isn't nearly as combat ready.

River... well... it's obvious she's going to be using the Psionics Handbooks fairly heavily. She doesn't even need to be that many levels ahead of the rest of the crew, seeing as by virtue of having access to magic, she's already a head and shoulder above the rest.

[Thexare Blademoon]

I actually would be hesistant to stat out link for the very reason that depending upon which game you play, he's a completely different character.

That's why I limited myself primarily to LttP in mine. I was actually going to put together one for each of the games I've played enough (LoZ, the GBC games since they're all similar enough, OoT/MM, WW), but I got lazy.

[JadedDM]

GryffonDurime, you think Vala and Daniel Jackson are both level 20? Wouldn't that make them near-god like? If that was the case, Daniel Jackson would never die (as opposed to dying numerous times) because he'd have so many HP that not even a gou'ald could take him out.

[Deme]

That's why I limited myself primarily to LttP in mine. I was actually going to put together one for each of the games I've played enough (LoZ, the GBC games since they're all similar enough, OoT/MM, WW), but I got lazy.

a) you forgot Twilight Princess ^^
and b) I would say that, in most games, Link would have a fairly good charisma score. In most games, he has at least one female NPC attracted to him at a time. And people always, always, trust him with their innane problems, their secrets, etc, for no good reason except that they do. This being said, I would agree that most of any Link's stats would be fairly average, to average-good. He's always been played up as a sort of average guy.

[elliott20]

to be honest, I'm actually more curious about the rest of the NPCs that show up in Zelda.

i.e. that stupid old man that gives you the rusty sword. what the hell is he supposed to be?

like, what would you do with say, the average Hyrulean knight? Or what about princess Zelda herself?