Class and Level Geekery II

[Kreistor]

The Dashing Swordsman was pure invention. I'm more inclined to think this is, too. Imp Crit on a Greatsword isn't going to cut any decent enemy in half in one blow, since it never gets better than a x2 Crit.

[Wrecan]

I'm not sure that evil caster counts as a "decent enemy"

[Kreistor]

A Clr 9 has 8+8D8 hp without Con bonus. That's 44 average. To kill, he neds to do 54 damage.

A Masterwork Greatsword (Magic Weapons can't be Shattered, like Xykon does to that very sword) deals 4D6+Strx3.0+4 (assumes Greater Weapon Spec). Average is 14 for 4D6. So, Strength needs to do 36 damage. That makes his Str bonus 12, for a Strength of 34. That can be achieved by some, but I find it very hard to believe in OotS world where magic items are few and limited in potency. even with a max damage crit of 28+Strx3, we're looking at a Str bonus of 9, for Str 28. Still unlikely, though barely achievable with a +6 Str item and 4/5 of level attributes put in Str.

Additionally, there's the fact Roy actually comments on it. If it was just a Crit, Roy would just have thought it was a normal roll of 19-20, and wouldn't have commented.

[Chronos]

There's also the possibility of a massive damage kill, which only requires 50 damage. It still requires a bit of luck (the cleric failed his save, and Horace probably needed a crit and at least decent rolls), but it happens occasionally.

[pjackson]

A Masterwork Greatsword (Magic Weapons can't be Shattered, like Xykon does to that very sword) deals 4D6+Strx3.0+4 (assumes Greater Weapon Spec). Average is 14 for 4D6. So, Strength needs to do 36 damage. That makes his Str bonus 12, for a Strength of 34. That can be achieved by some, but I find it very hard to believe in OotS world where magic items are few and limited in potency. even with a max damage crit of 28+Strx3, we're looking at a Str bonus of 9, for Str 28. Still unlikely, though barely achievable with a +6 Str item and 4/5 of level attributes put in Str.

If he power attacks (as he should) that gives +4 damage for each -1 to hit (on a critical with a two handed weapon).
-5 to hit gives +20 damage reducing the strength required to 20 for an average damage crit.

[Leeroy_Jenkins]

A scroll doesn't know what class its creator was, only whether it's arcane or divine. If the class of the creator were significant, then that'd have to be included in those tables in the DMG for randomly created scrolls, too.

Exactly.

The DMG does specify caster level for arcane scrolls when it is important, because (for example) there's a big difference between a magic missile cast at first level versus one at seventh level.

OTOH, the DMG does not specify "cleric-created CSW" or "4th-level CSW." So, inferentially, it must be the caster's level, and the not scroll scrivener's level, that controls.



As for "more bonus languages than me" implying that Elan must have at least one bonus language, any bonus language is greater than having none. While it would be more precise if Elan had said, "I know you have bonus languages and I do not...", I think it is just an economy-of-words issue. The joke is funnier the way it is written, compared to a verbiager-but-more-precise alternative.

[geekyhedgehog]

28 from dice+20 from pow. ATK= 2 dmg from STR

[Sc00by]

Dear Mr Wrecan.

It is now time for the Class and Level Geekery thread III

And I think I'd answer the points that get raised every page in a FAQ in the 1st (or 2nd) post... Then it just needs 1 post to point someone to the answer.

Probably

[Wrecan]

Dear Mr Wrecan.

It is now time for the Class and Level Geekery thread III

And I think I'd answer the points that get raised every page in a FAQ in the 1st (or 2nd) post... Then it just needs 1 post to point someone to the answer.

Probably

I was under the impression that threads no longer get locked after 50 pages. Do I need to start Class and Level Geekery III, or do we just keep going with the current format?

[Sc00by]

The SMBGs all seem to be reincarnated @ 50 pages still. So it looks like that's still the rule.

indeed the rules over there are quite clear.

I'm sure that a mod will happen along some time soon and inform us all as to what the current rules on 50 pages outside of SMBG are

[Porthos]

I was under the impression that threads no longer get locked after 50 pages. Do I need to start Class and Level Geekery III, or do we just keep going with the current format?

I just hit the "Replies" column, and with this post, this thread will be the longest one in this section of the forum, pushing past the Oots Quiz III thread. So, yeah, when you have some spare time it's probably time for Round 3.

[Kish]

Ugh, crazy varying spell levels and vague magic item rules....Here I was honestly hoping I had just missed something that made the situation clearcut.

Whether Belkar has average or better Wisdom (or even marginally, rather than severely, below average) has always been clear-cut.

[Lord Zentei]

I was under the impression that threads no longer get locked after 50 pages. Do I need to start Class and Level Geekery III, or do we just keep going with the current format?

It's probably easier for all concerned if you just continue it with the current format. Why switch to a new thread while the current one is working?

[Dorizzit]

A Masterwork Greatsword (Magic Weapons can't be Shattered, like Xykon does to that very sword)

Actually, yes, they can be broken. Just takes some doing.

[Amon Star]

Actually, yes, they can be broken. Just takes some doing.

Magical Items aren't be broken with a Shatter spell, which is what used. Therefore, the sword was only Masterwork at best at that point.

[SnowballMan]

As for "more bonus languages than me" implying that Elan must have at least one bonus language, any bonus language is greater than having none. While it would be more precise if Elan had said, "I know you have bonus languages and I do not...", I think it is just an economy-of-words issue. The joke is funnier the way it is written, compared to a verbiager-but-more-precise alternative.

Not to mention, we are talking about Elan after all.

A Clr 9 has 8+8D8 hp without Con bonus. That's 44 average. To kill, he neds to do 54 damage.

He could easily be below average. And it didn't look like his luck improved much.

[Kreistor]

I was under the impression that threads no longer get locked after 50 pages. Do I need to start Class and Level Geekery III, or do we just keep going with the current format?

Personally, I think a new thread is due. I'd suggest adding a FAQ at the front to point out the common topics nobody notices because they are 20 pages back. Belkar's Wisdom, current character level, and so on.

He could easily be below average. And it didn't look like his luck improved much.

Characters with PC levels gain the elite array. Only 1/6 stats is below 10: and for clerics it is very rarely Con, since it helps with Concentration. Possible, but highly unlikely.

[Wrecan]

I have started the Class and Level Geekery III thread. I ask that all discussion be directed there. Thanks!

[DwarvenExodus]

Belkar no longer posseses the mark of justice.

[Kroy]

Wrong thread, heres the newest one: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95005