Kill6BillionDemons II: The Successor's coming will be followed by 108 burning threads

[Hamsandlich]

Biological Sex =/= Gender

Gog-Agog presents as female, Abbadon's tumblr has used feminine pronouns to refer to Gog-Agog. Just because Gog-Agog is an inhuman mass of worms doesn't mean she's uninterested in human conventions(quite the opposite it seems). Juggernaut Star (imperfectly) rejects humanity, sentiment, and more or less anything contrary to the Will of 1 Metatron.

[lord_khaine]

Biological Sex =/= Gender

Gog-Agog presents as female, Abbadon's tumblr has used feminine pronouns to refer to Gog-Agog. Just because Gog-Agog is an inhuman mass of worms doesn't mean she's uninterested in human conventions(quite the opposite it seems). Juggernaut Star (imperfectly) rejects humanity, sentiment, and more or less anything contrary to the Will of 1 Metatron.

Just because it pretends to be a she, does not actually mean it is.
So far it has only seemed interested in its own amusement. And perhaps spreading itself.
It has not given signs of a actual female identity. Only of an alien entity playing a game.

[Doran]

This appears to be a tedious semantic argument about whether a pronoun for a fictional character should be decided by biological sex or gender.

Since there's no way to convince the other can't you both just agree to disagree?

Up until the situation is actually resolved in comic of course.

[KatieWebber]

The beginning is very similar to the description of a game, and I must say it intrigued me and I would play it with great pleasure. If it would still be a game.

[Doran]

Interestingly the first incarnation of it was a forum post game on the MS Paint Adventures forum.

It then got retooled and relaunched as a webcomic, with more limited user suggestions of Gods and the demon heist characters.

[Iruka]

There is also Broken Worlds, the K6BD RPG.

[Smurfton]

This his honestly stupidity of a suicidal level.
Like violently banging on a nuklear bomb because the timer had frozen stupid.

When Gog-Agog arrives like this then its clear that she's here to negotiate.
And Allison should know from her sparring just how wide the gasp is between her and Gog.
So punching her is straight up moronic.

There's a few reasons this isn't moronic:

The punch wasn't for Gog-Agog. It was for Allison. In her encounters with Mottom, Incubus, and Mammon, Allison didn't feel like she was in control. That was even her stated reason for accepting Incubus' pact.
She punched Gog-Agog in the nose to establish to herself that she was in control of the situation.

Second reason: that punch wasn't about to do anything more than mildly inconvenience a demiurge

Third reason: every demiurge wants her alive, except Jadis (who already knows when Allison will die). If you think Zaid is the true heir, then killing Allison means that Zaid gets the key faster.
If you think Allison is the true heir, then currying favor might mean she's more lenient on you when obliterating the seven headed beast.

[mystic1110]

Holy **** gogagog is creepy

[Hamsandlich]

Side effects of Worm may include excessive euphoria, watery eyes, inability to focus, desire to be the center of attention, loss of identity, GREEN, quantum mimicry, painful grinning, dissolving, self cannibalization, GOGAGOG, sudden theatrical explosions into viscera, and magical girl transformation. Do not take Worm if you are on medication containing Hansa's Tobacco, Skesh, Black Glass, White Sand, Devil's Kisses, Peaches of Immortality, Angel Feathers, and the Word FLAME. Ask your Vatra if Worm is right for you.

[Grek]

Gog-Agog continues to be best demiurge.

[mystic1110]

you can see that the light of her key vanishes before she breaks apart into the component wurms, so "gog-agog" seems isn't each wurm, or any mass of wurms, but seems to be a sort of consciousness that can flit between the wurms.

[Leewei]

Side effects of Worm may include excessive euphoria, watery eyes, inability to focus, desire to be the center of attention, loss of identity, GREEN, quantum mimicry, painful grinning, dissolving, self cannibalization, GOGAGOG, sudden theatrical explosions into viscera, and magical girl transformation. Do not take Worm if you are on medication containing Hansa's Tobacco, Skesh, Black Glass, White Sand, Devil's Kisses, Peaches of Immortality, Angel Feathers, and the Word FLAME. Ask your Vatra if Worm is right for you.

Hahahaha! Outstanding!

[Doran]

you can see that the light of her key vanishes before she breaks apart into the component wurms, so "gog-agog" seems isn't each wurm, or any mass of wurms, but seems to be a sort of consciousness that can flit between the wurms.

She could still be all the worms at once, but can only focus her key in one place at a time.

[understatement]

She's Envy, right? I bet if Allison "wins" the match Gog-Agog'll just backstab her. No way Allison's going to get Zaid back.

[lord_khaine]

She could still be all the worms at once, but can only focus her key in one place at a time.

For some cryptic reason i keep confusing you and Mystic 1110 :P

But yes i do think it makes sense. There are only 1 key after all.

She's Envy, right? I bet if Allison "wins" the match Gog-Agog'll just backstab her. No way Allison's going to get Zaid back.

She isnt Envy. It or She, whatever you want, are Gog Agog. The Great Devourer. The Scourge of Worlds. bearer of the word BEAST.
But as far as i know, then there has newer been a official link between the demi-urges and the deathly sins. Thats something the fans came up with on their own.
I think the comic has shown that they are more complexs than that though.

[Nettlekid]

But as far as i know, then there has newer been a official link between the demi-urges and the deathly sins. Thats something the fans came up with on their own.

I mean...
There's one who eats everything, be it peaches or planets.
There's one who collects all the gold and wealth in the cosmos.
There's one who wants to kill literally everything.
There's one who has prostitute envoys and is, in the author's words, "gay for power."
There's one who thinks he's better than everyone else to the point of delusion.
There's one who wears other people's faces and wants to be adored.
There's one who can't move a muscle forever and gets carried around.

I don't think it ever needs to be explicitly stated, there is very clear and direct subtext.

[Grek]

But conversely, there's also:
The one who endlessly pillages worlds for their wealth, unable to get enough.
The one who hasn't left his house for centuries, tended to by his servants.
The one who cares only about endlessly improving himself and his worldly status.
The one who lives in the perpetually shadow of a greater, more worthy warrior.
The one who killed his teachers after learning martial arts for the sake of revenge.
The one who tempts people into her service by feeding them writhing pleasure-drugs.
The one who nearly destroyed herself through hubris, unable to admit it was beyond her.

Each demiurge contains a multitude of sins.

[lord_khaine]

But conversely, there's also:
The one who endlessly pillages worlds for their wealth, unable to get enough.
The one who hasn't left his house for centuries, tended to by his servants.
The one who cares only about endlessly improving himself and his worldly status.
The one who lives in the perpetually shadow of a greater, more worthy warrior.
The one who killed his teachers after learning martial arts for the sake of revenge.
The one who tempts people into her service by feeding them writhing pleasure-drugs.
The one who nearly destroyed herself through hubris, unable to admit it was beyond her.

Each demiurge contains a multitude of sins.

Yeah that was the point i were trying to make :)
Its a bit like a rochard test. If you want to see a specific connect then you can also likely find it.
And if you start with a idea and then try to confirm it, then your also more likely to find the specific evidence your hunting.
While steering around all the stuff that would disprove the hypothis.

[Grek]

Yeah, if you think about it, ALL of the Seven are guilty of Pride (you really think you're worthy of ruling even 14% of the multiverse?), Wrath (can't become a demiurge without killing a few million people minimum), Envy (All of them except Mottom want Zoss's seat, she wants Allison's instead) and Greed (you don't become a demiurge without being full of Want). 3/7 are literal cannibals, 2/7 sulk at home and usually send envoys instead, 3/7 encourage human blood sports, 1/7 is a polygamist, etc. Jag is the one with the smallest sin counter so far.

[Onyavar]

Thats something the fans came up with on their own.
I think the comic has shown that they are more complexs than that though.

THIS.

There's one who eats everything, be it peaches or planets.
There's one who collects all the gold and wealth in the cosmos.
There's one who wants to kill literally everything.
There's one who has prostitute envoys and is, in the author's words, "gay for power."
There's one who thinks he's better than everyone else to the point of delusion.
There's one who wears other people's faces and wants to be adored.
There's one who can't move a muscle forever and gets carried around.

The one who endlessly pillages worlds for their wealth, unable to get enough.
The one who hasn't left his house for centuries, tended to by his servants.
The one who cares only about endlessly improving himself and his worldly status.
The one who lives in the perpetual shadow of a greater, more worthy warrior.
The one who killed his teachers after learning martial arts for the sake of revenge.
The one who tempts people into her service by feeding them writhing pleasure-drugs.
The one who nearly destroyed herself through hubris, unable to admit it was beyond her.

Wait, I got this.
Nettlekid proposed: Mottom/Gluttony; Mammon/Greed; Jagganoth/Wrath; Incubus/Lust; Solomon David/Pride; Gog-Agog/Envy; Jadis/Sloth
Grek proposed: Mottom/Greed; Mammon/Sloth; Jagganoth/Gluttony(?); Incubus/Envy; Solomon David/Wrath; Gog-Agog/Lust; Jadis/Pride

Now, I'm the guy who agrees mostly with Grek but for me it is clearly Mottom/Sloth and Mammon/Greed.
... That is, unless Incubus is not even part of the demiurges. If we replace him with Maya/Sloth, the entire formula changes again.

But hey, what about their respective followers/cults? I'd say we can also fit their courts together as:
Mottom/Gluttony; Mammon/Wrath; Jagganoth/?; Incubus/Pride; Solomon David/Sloth; Gog-Agog/Lust; Jadis/? [Envy and Greed are unassigned; we know nothing about possible motivations of Jadis' Priests and whoever follows Jagganoth. Maybe we can shift these assignments around at a later point.]

I propose that we also assign the seven prismatic colors to the demiurges: Incubus is Red, Mottom is Orange, Mammon is Yellow, Gog-Agog is Green, Jadis is blue, Solomon David is Indigo, Jagganoth is Violent. ... or wait, what if we use the system of Newton? Mottom is Red, Mammon is Orange, Jagganoth is Yellow, Gog-Agog is green, Incubus is Cyan, Jadis is blue, Solomon is Purple??

Also hey, there are seven days in the week! I think we have them covered...
Loonsday - Incubus
Duesday - Mammon
Widowsday - Mottom
Terrorsday - Jagganoth
Fryday - Solomon
Shatterday - Jadis
Funday - Gog-Agog

[halfeye]

Yeah, if you think about it, ALL of the Seven are guilty of Pride (you really think you're worthy of ruling even 14% of the multiverse?), Wrath (can't become a demiurge without killing a few million people minimum), Envy (All of them except Mottom want Zoss's seat, she wants Allison's instead) and Greed (you don't become a demiurge without being full of Want). 3/7 are literal cannibals, 2/7 sulk at home and usually send envoys instead, 3/7 encourage human blood sports, 1/7 is a polygamist, etc. Jag is the one with the smallest sin counter so far.

Multi-sins for all the demi-urges, I like it.

I think the big thing is going to be Alison's interaction with Metatron, who isn't a demi-urge.

[Gez]

We are still lacking Gog-Agog's backstory. But i find it pretty likely its about as far from humanity as Juggernaut Star.
If it turns out to be something like the conciousness of a female demi-urge surviving in the worms that consumed her body,
then yes i am going to turn my stance on this.

She was an envious girl who crushed on a prince, but since she was neither rich nor comely, sempai did not notice her. Eventually she committed suicide by hanging herself from a tree, and nobody ever noticed her corpse, or noticed she was missing, only the worms noticed her. So her ghost moved onto the worms, and then as a mass of worms she discovered her power to change shape, so she took a beautiful appearance to woo the prince, but things didn't work out how she wanted, so long story short she ended eating the prince and impersonating him, and then the prince's court when they found out the prince was weird, and then pretty much the entire kingdom when it decided to kill the shapechanging monster, and pretty soon the entire world was either Gog-Agog or those who decided to worship her as a master instead of trying to fight her.

Then the gate to her world opened, and a demiurge bent on conquering a new world stepped in, and he was eaten by a mass of worms pretty much immediately, and that's the story of how Gog-Agog got her Key and became a demiurge herself.

[Eldan]

Not sure Gog-Agog needs much backstory beyond being a giant worm hive with magic powers. Not that I'd complain.

Cursed the ground where dead thoughts live new and oddly bodied, and evil the mind that is held by no head. Wisely did Ibn Schacabao say, that happy is the tomb where no wizard hath lain, and happy the town at night whose wizards are all ashes. For it is of old rumour that the soul of the devil-bought hastes not from his charnel clay, but fats and instructs the very worm that gnaws; till out of corruption horrid life springs, and the dull scavengers of earth wax crafty to vex it and swell monstrous to plague it. Great holes secretly are digged where earth’s pores ought to suffice, and things have learnt to walk that ought to crawl.

[Aquillion]

Yeah, if you think about it, ALL of the Seven are guilty of Pride (you really think you're worthy of ruling even 14% of the multiverse?), Wrath (can't become a demiurge without killing a few million people minimum), Envy (All of them except Mottom want Zoss's seat, she wants Allison's instead) and Greed (you don't become a demiurge without being full of Want). 3/7 are literal cannibals, 2/7 sulk at home and usually send envoys instead, 3/7 encourage human blood sports, 1/7 is a polygamist, etc. Jag is the one with the smallest sin counter so far.

Not really sure. Maybe at one point they were, but a lot of them (Mammon, Jadis, Mottom) don't fit most of those sins anymore.

[Grek]

Mottom straight up turns a man into a tree for defying her. She's plenty wrathful. And Mammon still kills people, he just uses traps for them.

[Hamsandlich]

New Offering


Wherein Nyave is once again awesome

[lord_khaine]

My point of view is less awesome. And more dumb as a brick..

[Hamsandlich]

My point of view is less awesome. And more dumb as a brick..

Haven't you been paying attention? Those two are the exact same thing in this comic.

[Aquillion]

If this were a D&D session, what Nyave is saying would boil down to "ok, yes, it's stupid and we have no motivation to go, but it's obviously what the DM wants us to do, so let's just bite the bullet and go, otherwise the story won't move forward."

[Hamsandlich]

If this were a D&D session, what Nyave is saying would boil down to "ok, yes, it's stupid and we have no motivation to go, but it's obviously what the DM wants us to do, so let's just bite the bullet and go, otherwise the story won't move forward."

I mean, they have motivation ("rescue Zaid" in Allison's case, and "Deliver the Master Key to the 'True Heir'" in White Chain's case), its just that up until Nyave spoke up, their existential terror at the prospect of Salami Dave liquifying their Atums with a single punch dwarfed that motivation.