Lloth or Lolth?

[username1]

My friend and I are in another argument, is it lloth or lolth. I think it could be either.

[Yora]

Lolth. There are a few cases where it is spelled Lloth, but she is called Lolth in the adventure she first appeared in and in the Fiend Folio. It's also her official name in Forgotten Realms sourcebooks.

[Willie the Duck]

According to Wikipedia, it is "Lolth (Lloth in the drow language)."

[Whyrocknodie]

Whichever position your friend is taking, you should take the opposite one and remain absolutely adamant in your argument. It's absolutely critical that not only is the demon given the correct name, but that your friend is objectively wrong at all times. Where would we be if nobody cared about this sort of thing, I ask you? Nowhere good, that's for certain. The abyss maybe.

[Guizonde]

Whichever position your friend is taking, you should take the opposite one and remain absolutely adamant in your argument. It's absolutely critical that not only is the demon given the correct name, but that your friend is objectively wrong at all times. Where would we be if nobody cared about this sort of thing, I ask you? Nowhere good, that's for certain. The abyss maybe.

fixed that for you.

[Willie the Duck]

fixed that for you.

?Did you change anything in the quote? I can't find a 'fix.'

[Kaptin Keen]

It's spelled Lolth, but pronounced Lloth. There, all cleared up =)

[Segev]

Whichever position your friend is taking, you should take the opposite one and remain absolutely adamant in your argument. It's absolutely critical that not only is the demon given the correct name, but that your friend is objectively wrong at all times. Where would we be if nobody cared about this sort of thing, I ask you? Nowhere good, that's for certain. The abyss maybe.

I see we found a true worshipper of the Spider-Queen!

[meschlum]

Of course, if you go by some of the works of Laurel K Hamilton (e.g. Nightseer), the proper answer is Loth, for oaths made by the birds of Loth and the hounds of Verm.

[Guizonde]

?Did you change anything in the quote? I can't find a 'fix.'

i just changed the color of your quote to "evil purple", because obviously that's the single most evil thing one could suggest aside from physical and moral violence on your friend.

[Millstone85]

It is Lolth.

Otherwise, how would you make that joke?

[RedMage125]

According to Wikipedia, it is "Lolth (Lloth in the drow language)."

This, basically.

Of course, if you have a Midwest accent (like our dear, departed Gary Gygax, who was from Wisconsin), then they're pronounced the same anyway.

Seriously, one of my best friends is from Virginia, and whenever my wife and I say the word "both", he hears it as "BOLTH".

[Yora]

Apparently it started as a misspelling in Drizzt novels and he just kept using it. And since then some other Forgotten Realms novel writers have also started doing it.
But to my knowledge, in the game it has always been only Lolth.

[Kaptin Keen]

Apparently it started as a better name in Drizzt novels and he just kept using it. And since then some other Forgotten Realms novel writers have also started doing it.
But to my knowledge, in the game it has always been only Lolth.

Fixed that. And frankly, Drizzit is a drow and none of the rest of us are - so who's the authority here, eh? =)

[halfeye]

This, basically.

Of course, if you have a Midwest accent (like our dear, departed Gary Gygax, who was from Wisconsin), then they're pronounced the same anyway.

Seriously, one of my best friends is from Virginia, and whenever my wife and I say the word "both", he hears it as "BOLTH".

The Bristol "L" is weirder, "windles" for "windows" never gets old. Mind you, the celtic LL pronounced "Cl" gets pretty close.

[Beleriphon]

I always figured Lloth, with the double L pronounced the same as in Llyod.

[The Fury]

Naw, if it were "Lloth" it would be pronounced "Yoth."

[Cliff Sedge]

(From The AD&D 2nd ed. Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting: Running the Realms, page 33, under Drizzt):

"His fame and hatred of his former homeland has made him a target of other drow who hope to earn favor with their evil goddess Lloth (also know as Lolth) by killing the renegade." (Greenwood and Grubb, 1993)

[Psyren]

Naw, if it were "Lloth" it would be pronounced "Yoth."

Given that D&D names take far more inspiration from Welsh than Spanish, I'd expect that it's pronounced closer to "Shchoth". (Look up how to pronounce "Llewellyn" or that one super-long Welsh town and you'll get the idea.)

[halfeye]

Given that D&D names take far more inspiration from Welsh than Spanish, I'd expect that it's pronounced closer to "Shchoth". (Look up how to pronounce "Llewellyn" or that one super-long Welsh town and you'll get the idea.)

Celtic rather than Deltic

[Kaptin Keen]

I'm pleased to see this important topic is still being discussed. Despite my conviction that the questions has been answered (that Lloth is the proper spelling), I'd like to venture the opinion that the two spellings could also be combined to Llolth. Perfect solution?

[Segev]

Clearly, Lloth is Lolth's lesser-known little brother who likes to dress up in his sister's clothing and impersonate her to her priestesses, not bothering to change his name. Lolth allows this because she already enjoys giving contradictory orders, so her brother thinks he's messing with her but is really just furthering her confusing agenda of trollishness.


...troll-driders need to be a thing. Triders? Trollders?

[Malphegor]

If anyone spells it Llolth, as a Welshman I feel obliged to play a drow who calls her Llolth pronounced with the welsh 'll' letter.

(actually, that's not far off the sound fictional spiders make. Thinking of the hissing sound the spiders in Minecraft make... Screw it, all drow are Welsh in any world I DM now.)

[Kaptin Keen]

...troll-driders need to be a thing. Triders? Trollders?

Well .. convince enough trolls to worship Lloth, and I'm sure Triders will eventually follow. It could cause some confusion if large numbers of treants also convert to the faith, though. Or would they be treeders?? oO

[Segev]

Well .. convince enough trolls to worship Lloth, and I'm sure Triders will eventually follow. It could cause some confusion if large numbers of treants also convert to the faith, though. Or would they be treeders?? oO

Spidents, of course. Or possibly spitrees, though spy-trees would give the wrong impression. Unless they had a tendency to stand around spying....

THough honestly, that makes me think more of a treant/roper hybrid, which is not really Lolth's purview. Though her yochlols often look roper-like. Also, "yochlol" suggests to me that "Lolth" is, in fact, the intended spelling.

[2D8HP]

If anyone spells it Llolth, as a Welshman I feel obliged to play a drow who calls her Llolth pronounced with the welsh 'll' letter.

(actually, that's not far off the sound fictional spiders make. Thinking of the hissing sound the spiders in Minecraft make... Screw it, all drow are Welsh in any world I DM now.)

I don't dispute the Drow having Welsh blood, but (in it's infinite wisdom) the Forum proved that the Underdark is Australian.