OOTS #1162 - The Discussion Thread

[Keltest]

I think he's a refferacing a certain situation in his native country which I will not get into for fear of the no-politics rule. Suffice to say, if he wants to change things there, fair enough. I'm just not sure how arguing for genocide on a webcomic forum figures into it.

It doesn't. I suspect at this point he's just trolling, or otherwise being horrible on purpose, but whatever his motives, enacting actual meaningful change is not one of them.

[The_Weirdo]

I think he's a refferacing a certain situation in his native country which I will not get into for fear of the no-politics rule. Suffice to say, if he wants to change things there, fair enough. I'm just not sure how arguing for genocide on a webcomic forum figures into it.

There was a tangent.

My stance on Hilgya and forced marriage is one thing.

My response to your question of why I think that de-escalation does not work is another.

[zimmerwald1915]

I don't think anything you post on it will make a difference one way or another as to whether you are actually oppressed.

Oh, that's not true. Everything we post here is ultimately collected by *ahem* some agency in our respective countries. We all ought to fear it being deployed against us at some point.

[Peelee]

I think I saw in US News' rankings of cities that Birmingham was a top destination to live. It surprised me, but I'm guessing it's a combination of cheap cost of living plus space jobs.

Nah, the space jobs are up in Huntsville. We have medical and banking jobs, though! And yeah, from what I've heard from other places in the country, dirt cheap cost of living.

[woweedd]

There was a tangent.

My stance on Hilgya and forced marriage is one thing.

My response to your question of why I think that de-escalation does not work is another.

But won't escalation just kinda spiral?

It doesn't. I suspect at this point he's just trolling, or otherwise being horrible on purpose, but whatever his motives, enacting actual meaningful change is not one of them.

No, I don't doubt he wants change. I just doubt he's, um, how to put this politely...competent?

[The_Weirdo]

Nah, the space jobs are up in Huntsville. We have medical and banking jobs, though! And yeah, from what I've heard from other places in the country, dirt cheap cost of living.

Any translation agencies there? No matter what else you think of me, I'm very good at what I do.

But won't escalation just kinda spiral?

Well, did de-escalation work?

No, I don't doubt he wants change. I just doubt he's, um, how to put this politely...competent?

Eh, you're not, shall we say, inserted in my context.

[MReav]

This is blatantly offensive. You're either trolling or deranged, or perhaps even both.

T_W is a reverse utilitarian. His solutions are the ones that maximize suffering and death. His solution to the Trolley Problem is to blow up the trolley, which is more like to kill all the people that you are trying to save via high-speed shrapnel as well as any unfortunate souls who happen to be stuck on the trolley (let's ignore how you are carrying both a high enough explosive to destroy a trolley and the means of delivering it to such a target. He would argue that everyone should be carrying these things to deal with the never ending threats of runaway trollets).

[woweedd]

Any translation agencies there? No matter what else you think of me, I'm very good at what I do.

Ironic that you work in communications, considered your effectiveness, or lack thereof, at making a non-horrific point.

[zimmerwald1915]

And yeah, from what I've heard from other places in the country, dirt cheap cost of living.

Give it a few years. Boise and Memphis have both gentrified in my lifetime

[Peelee]

But won't escalation just kinda spiral?

He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue! That's the Chicago way!

I have to note, by the way, that the Chicago way did not work.

[The_Weirdo]

Ironic that you work in communications, considered your effectiveness, or lack thereof, at making a non-horrific point.

Yet I'm Brazilian and you can't fault my English skills, can you?

He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue! That's the Chicago way!

I have to note, by the way, that the Chicago way did not work.

He pulls a knife, you pull a nuke and begin screaming at the top of your lungs. See if he doesn't back down.

[woweedd]

Yet I'm Brazilian and you can't fault my English skills, can you?

Heh! True enough, you massive creep.

[Doug Lampert]

Victim: Can I get a different lawyer? I'm beginning to think this trial is rigged against me.

It is claimed on the web (so it must be true) that this was actually recorded as said in a trial:

ATTORNEY: She had three children , right?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: How many were boys?
WITNESS: None.
ATTORNEY: Were there any girls?
WITNESS: Your Honor, I think I need a different attorney. Can I get a new attorney?

[woweedd]

That I may be, but, if I send you my contact, will you recommend me when someone needs translations between English and Portuguese?

I am not in a position to sign any legally-binding contracts at the present date.

[Peelee]

Any translation agencies there? No matter what else you think of me, I'm very good at what I do.

Not a big demand for Portuguese around here, to the best of my knowledge. If you can do Spanish, I'm pretty sure a good portion of the country is open to you.

[Spanish_Paladin]

My goal is not to be oppressed, first. So winning the argument or preventing the crazy side from getting to make it for fear of what the sane side might do if it does is a good tactic.



Pretending a forced marriage is just forcing someone to sit through a ceremony is advocating forced marriage.
Conjuring up baseless scenarios in which it is justified is advocating forced marriage.

If Keltest doesn't believe either of these things, it would be easy for him to write as follows:

"I do believe that forced marriage is always a very grave moral wrong and never justified".

As you wish, but i am convinced that you are inmersed in an ego trip and you are unable to compromise. What amazes me is that you really think that forumites here are evil enough to agree with forced marriage without even knowing them personally. When the reality is that they in one way or another, the only thing they are telling to you is that two wrongs don't make one right, and that murder is not a proportionate punishment.

[The Aboleth]

My goal is not to be oppressed, first.

Yet you try to accomplish this by oppressing others on this forum by making statements like, "Genocide is a reasonable solution!" Why does your desire to not be oppressed trump my own?

Based on your behavior, I can only conclude that the reason you defend Hilgya so vigorously in the manner you have is because you are her, in human form. "I don't want to be oppressed, so I'm going to murder anyone who has ever slighted me!" is very in-line with her portrayal in-comic.

[zimmerwald1915]

It is claimed on the web (so it must be true) that this was actually recorded as said in a trial:

ATTORNEY: She had three children , right?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: How many were boys?
WITNESS: None.
ATTORNEY: Were there any girls?
WITNESS: Your Honor, I think I need a different attorney. Can I get a new attorney?

It's a legitimate question. The three children could all be intersex.

[woweedd]

It is claimed on the web (so it must be true) that this was actually recorded as said in a trial:

ATTORNEY: She had three children , right?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: How many were boys?
WITNESS: None.
ATTORNEY: Were there any girls?
WITNESS: Your Honor, I think I need a different attorney. Can I get a new attorney?

To be fair, NB, Intersex, so on, exist...

[Ruck]

Oh, that's not true. Everything we post here is ultimately collected by *ahem* some agency in our respective countries. We all ought to fear it being deployed against us at some point.

You know, I did think of that immediately afterward-- I should have known you would mention it. It's true, though, if anything T_W's approach to loudly advocating genocide online is more likely to get him oppressed when some agency gets whiff of it.

[Fyraltari]

It is claimed on the web (so it must be true) that this was actually recorded as said in a trial:

ATTORNEY: She had three children , right?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: How many were boys?
WITNESS: None.
ATTORNEY: Were there any girls?
WITNESS: Your Honor, I think I need a different attorney. Can I get a new attorney?

Lawyers are required to never make any kind of inferrence from the witness's testimony. What the witness hasn't said the winess hasn't said and cannot be used in court.

[woweedd]

Yet you try to accomplish this by oppressing others on this forum by making statements like, "Genocide is a reasonable solution!" Why does your desire to not be oppressed trump my own?

Based on your behavior, I can only conclude that the reason you defend Hylga so vigorously in the manner you have is because you are her, in human form. "I don't want to be oppressed, so I'm going to murder anyone who has ever slighted me!" is very in-line with her portrayal in-comic.

Resist the urge to make an obvious joke...

[Peelee]

He pulls a knife, you pull a nuke and begin screaming at the top of your lungs. See if he doesn't back down.

Not only does he not back down, but all his friends pull out nukes on your, and then your friends pull out their nukes, and the only way to escalate next is to actually shoot it off, so everyone dies.

I'll go with convincing the other guy to put the knife down, myself.

[zimmerwald1915]

You know, I did think of that immediately afterward-- I should have known you would mention it. It's true, though, if anything T_W's approach to loudly advocating genocide online is more likely to get him oppressed when some agency gets whiff of it.

[Thought better of the response to this, would have deleted post, but I see I've been quoted].

[woweedd]

You know, I did think of that immediately afterward-- I should have known you would mention it. It's true, though, if anything T_W's approach to loudly advocating genocide online is more likely to get him oppressed when some agency gets whiff of it.

Sadly. Given Brazil's current government...My lawyer has advised me not to continue this statement.*

*Thanks, Zim!

[The_Weirdo]

Or, ironically, to get him a job offer he probably doesn't want.

Explain this one, kindly...

Not only does he not back down, but all his friends pull out nukes on your, and then your friends pull out their nukes, and the only way to escalate next is to actually shoot it off, so everyone dies.

I'll go with convincing the other guy to put the knife down, myself.

We asked the guy to put the knife down nicely. He pulled a gun.

[Fyraltari]

He pulls a knife, you pull a nuke and begin screaming at the top of your lungs. See if he doesn't back down.

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[woweedd]

Explain this one, kindly...

He's implying that Brazil's current government may be glad to have you, for reasons I WILL NOT ELABORATE ON.

[Peelee]

Lawyers are required to never make any kind of inferrence from the witness's testimony. What the witness hasn't said the winess hasn't said and cannot be used in court.

Sure they can, it's just usually a good idea not to. Joe Pesci doesn't keep hammering on the instant grits because he can't infer, it's because he wants the jury to directly hear the witness say the thing Pesci wants him to say.

[zimmerwald1915]

Sure they can, it's just usually a good idea not to. Joe Pesci doesn't keep hammering on the instant grits because he can't infer, it's because he wants the jury to directly hear the witness say the thing Pesci wants him to say.

(Don't exclude the possibility of Fyraltari invoking a French rule of procedure. Inquisitorial, civil-law systems are weird.)