Statting Jack Sparrow

[skywalker]

So I saw Pirates of the Caribbean 3 again last night, and I was wondering what these boards would do with Jack Sparrow. The most interesting thing that struck me was that none of the "pirate" themed prestige classes really fit him, and that while he is usually described as an excellent sword-fighter, it seems to me that his mental stats would be far higher than his physical.

My thoughts:
CN Human Rogue 2-3
str:11
dex:13-14
con:10-11
int:17-18
wis:8-10
cha:16-17

Feats: lots of luck feats

Thoughts?

[Anxe]

Shouldn't he be in the Dread Pirate PrC or the Thief Acrobat PrC?

[Tengu]

Give him 3 levels in Swashbuckler.

[Attilargh]

...while he is usually described as an excellent sword-fighter...

Where? The poor (but otherwise rather magnificient) bastard loses about every single fight he doesn't slink away from.

[Dean Fellithor]

So I saw Pirates of the Caribbean 3 again last night, and I was wondering what these boards would do with Jack Sparrow. The most interesting thing that struck me was that none of the "pirate" themed prestige classes really fit him, and that while he is usually described as an excellent sword-fighter, it seems to me that his mental stats would be far higher than his physical.

My thoughts:
CN Human Rogue 2-3
str:11
dex:13-14
con:10-11
int:17-18
wis:8-10
cha:16-17

Feats: lots of luck feats

Thoughts?

Me and My DM Adam once stated him out, although it was a loose fit on pre-rolls.

but I'm thinking this:

Since he has his own movie Jack Sparrow would have to be at least LVL 16+ and then I'm thinking that because Jack works on a Ship and that is generally hard work and the fact that he has survived so many battles, that Constitution would be his Highest Stat (or second Highest) and his Charisma would be round about Highest/second highest too. next we have his Strenght, ships require a lot of pulling and hard manual labor that would make him probably put his 3rd or 4th highest roll in STR or DEX (because generally in that Era fighting was more Dexterous rather than Smash the guys head in with a Hammer). then we have got Intelligence and Wisdom, these are easy as Jack Sparrow is a Smart man, but not exactly a Wise man: I mean the fact that this guy is in a Contract with Davy Jones in the first place shows that he's not the wisest wine in the shop. so we have INT as his 5th most important stat and WIS as his least important.

then we have the fact point of "What class should I make him?" well lets put say... the first 5 levels in swashbuckler and give him Weapon Finesse (swashbuckler class Feature) with a Cutlass.

thats all I can think of for now, as I am quite Tired, its 3:00AM after all...

[Karsh]

Well, but he's killed by a Kraken, which is only CR 12.

And rather handily, I might add.

[Yeril]

@^ True but he would have to be level 17-18 to take on a CR 12 single handedly.


I'd say hes in the 8-10 level area, enough to be well known and famous in ports around the world, proberly won't be remembered in a few hundred years time though..

As the article "Analyzing Aragon" states, characters above level 10 tend to be once in a generation type characters who are legends in the local area, at the level 15 they are known around the world proberly, and 20 is the kind of having a game of snooker with Pelor next weekend type of power.

Aragorn is like a level 3 fighter/2 ranger..

As for jack?

I'd say Rogue 2, Swashbuckler 7.

Stats hm

Str: 12 < No evidence, a finesse type fighter
Dex: 16 < Unarmored, finesse type fighter
Con: 12 < No real evidence, drinks often?
Int: 17 < Very cunning and witty
Wis: 9 < Never showed much of this
Cha: 19+++ < Hes got a movie and when the first one came out most girls I knew at school were swooning over him.

[daggaz]

The kraken in DnD is only CR 12. In Jack Sparrow's world, it's one of the mightiest creatures in known existance, and likewise there aren't a whole lot of competing monsters to bring down its relative CR... Its pretty much unique and would probably be closer to CR 20.

Jack is probably about lvl 15, CN (but closer to good than evil)rogue/swashbuckler.. actually, Elan's homebrew PrC is probably more suited to him.

He has a 16 charisma, and a 14 in con. His strength is closer to 10, stronger than your average commoner, but nothing to parade about. His wisdom is at its highest a ten as well, but his intelligence is probably closer to 12 or 14. Lets call it 13.

He has some kind of luck feat as well, perhaps once a day he gets to flip a coin and he is either phenominally lucky, or terribly unlucky.

[skywalker]

Me and My DM Adam once stated him out, although it was a loose fit on pre-rolls.

but I'm thinking this:

Since he has his own movie Jack Sparrow would have to be at least LVL 16+ and then I'm thinking that because Jack works on a Ship and that is generally hard work and the fact that he has survived so many battles, that Constitution would be his Highest Stat (or second Highest) and his Charisma would be round about Highest/second highest too. next we have his Strenght, ships require a lot of pulling and hard manual labor that would make him probably put his 3rd or 4th highest roll in STR or DEX (because generally in that Era fighting was more Dexterous rather than Smash the guys head in with a Hammer). then we have got Intelligence and Wisdom, these are easy as Jack Sparrow is a Smart man, but not exactly a Wise man: I mean the fact that this guy is in a Contract with Davy Jones in the first place shows that he's not the wisest wine in the shop. so we have INT as his 5th most important stat and WIS as his least important.

then we have the fact point of "What class should I make him?" well lets put say... the first 5 levels in swashbuckler and give him Weapon Finesse (swashbuckler class Feature) with a Cutlass.

thats all I can think of for now, as I am quite Tired, its 3:00AM after all...

I don't think that really works out, he doesn't seem particularly hardy, nor does he seem rather strong(I know he works on a ship, but the average sailor wasn't that much stronger than the average commoner). Jack seems physically average(somewhat more dexterous than average) very cunning individual. His charisma seems rather situational to me, and his wisdom is slightly lacking.

I think 16th level is way too high. After all, Aragorn was only 5th level...

[Spiryt]

I will agree with Yeril, his Int is very high, and his Charisma is superior. He appears to handle all chalenges with those, however his Dex also looks at least 15.

[Sornjss Lichdom]

He remindes me of a Jarlaxe charactor, both in social and fighting abilaties (sure he's not a dark elf but he's crafty)

[Attilargh]

His charisma seems rather situational to me

Doesn't Davy Jones at one point say something to the effect of "...And no deals!", followed by Jack talking himself one without missing a beat? That's fairly charismatic. Also, all the fast-talking and Xanatos Thingies he pulls off in Dead Man's Chest suggest a pretty consistent charisma score.

[Leadfeathermcc]

Just make him a Beguiler and have it lie about everything else.

[Sir Giacomo]

Hi,

I once made a similar attempt in the character builder thread...

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showp...&postcount=436

- Giacomo

[SexyOchreJelly]

Jack Sparrow is a rogue with lots of stuff from the complete Scoundrel, in my opinion.


Statting Davy Jones would be much more interesting. Imagine all the abilities he would get from his tentacles.

[kpenguin]

I'd say that Davy Jones is a lich, with his heart being the phylactery.

[RationalGoblin]

I'd say that Davy Jones is a lich, with his heart being the phylactery.

Alhoon maybe? Because he really does look like an Mind Flay- Squid Thingy, sorry.

[SexyOchreJelly]

Davy Jones must have over 20 charisma in my opinion... that voice is simply incredible.

[AslanCross]

Alhoon maybe? Because he really does look like an Mind Flay- Squid Thingy, sorry.

With Swashbuckler and Dread Pirate levels!


Anyway, I do think Jack Sparrow should have a couple of levels in Rogue and Swashbuckler, then have all ten levels of Dread Pirate. He has that level of infamy. So maybe Rogue 2/Swashbuckler 3/Dread Pirate 10. Lv 15 may be kinda high, but Dread Pirate's capstone ability seems to suit him.

[JackMage666]

Human Aristocrat 1, with some magic item that makes people think he's better than he is, when he's actually just useless. Like an Aura of Charm Person.

[Azerian Kelimon]

Actually, Jack is likely pretty high level. While not seen in the movies, when he was YOUNG, more or less a teenager, he went searching for an artifact (The Sword of Cortés) that made you invincible in swordfight, and lost it. Which seems pretty difficult. I say he's a swashbuckler/Duelist/Good version of Dread pirate, who is CN at the beginning of the movies, but ends up CG.

PS: Also, Aragorn is likely NOT low leveled, that's just Alexandrian's article.

[The Vorpal Tribble]

Hrmmm, I could make a go at it. I've been trying to stat various folks over on this thread and ole Jack would be fun

[BardicDuelist]

His level (like everyone in fiction) is debatable because they aren't modeled after D&D. I would say that it is at least 10, since freeing a god, and conning a demi-god like being aren't things usually done below those levels.

I would just say that he is a rogue. There is no evidence that he is a great swords man (but he is certainly competant). He has a great deal of skills, and the feinting sneak attack really fit his dirty fighting style. He certainly have a great deal of skill tricks.

Swash with Daring Outlaw may fit as well.

I am positive that he has Combat Expertise and Weapon Finesse though.

Everyting else is mostly up to RP. I would houserule parts of drunken fighter as feats for him (like the drinking to heal yourself and the getting drunk making you a better fighter) just for RP purposes.

[ForzaFiori]

Well, but he's killed by a Kraken, which is only CR 12.

And rather handily, I might add.

he was handcuffed to a mast though.

not to mention that the kraken was obviously advanced a good ways.

[Bitzeralisis]

So I saw Pirates of the Caribbean 3 again last night, and I was wondering what these boards would do with Jack Sparrow. The most interesting thing that struck me was that none of the "pirate" themed prestige classes really fit him, and that while he is usually described as an excellent sword-fighter, it seems to me that his mental stats would be far higher than his physical.

My thoughts:
CN Human Rogue 2-3
str:11
dex:13-14
con:10-11
int:17-18
wis:8-10
cha:16-17

Feats: lots of luck feats

Thoughts?

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He should be at least level 12, for starters. How the heck does a level 3 person kill a Kraken?

[Reptilius]

He should be at least level 12, for starters. How the heck does a level 3 person kill a Kraken?

Well, he didn't kill it. The East India Company made Jones kill it. Technically, it could be said that he didn't really survive, as he was trapped in purgatory in an alternate dimension.

Mechanics wise, make him ~level 10 (swash 3/rogue X/ pirate-y PrC X) with ridiculous Charisma and pretty much everything in Complete Scoundrel.

[[Insert Neat Username Here]]

Since he has his own movie Jack Sparrow would have to be at least LVL 16+

Aragorn is about level five. (scroll 3/4 down the page. You can't miss it)

Jack Sparrow is no Aragorn.

Also, a lot of people have their own movies. They aren't all level 16+!

[Skjaldbakka]

Aragorn is about level five.

Bupkiss. In the battle of Pellenor fields, Aragorn is described as emerging unscathed due to his skill. Even against CR 1s, that is unacheivable by level 5. Aragorn is better placed in the ECL 11-13 range. I say ECL, because half-elf has a LA in Middle Earth. But that is a matter for another thread.

[[Insert Neat Username Here]]

Bupkiss. In the battle of Pellenor fields, Aragorn is described as emerging unscathed due to his skill. Even against CR 1s, that is unacheivable by level 5. Aragorn is better placed in the ECL 11-13 range. I say ECL, because half-elf has a LA in Middle Earth. But that is a matter for another thread.

I'm not sure now . . . Maybe he's level five early on (all evidence was drawn from Fellowship), but levels up along the way?

Or maybe Tolkien didn't play D&D.

[Tequila Sunrise]

Just stat him as a level 29 expert and be done with it! Jeez, you'd think this was rocket science...