My Hero Academia 3: Villainous Interlude

[Lord Raziere]

Yes thats only a slightly better source.
Grant Morrison does it a lot better.

*shrug* now your just moving goalposts. I'm not going to read whatever obscure comics you think are good among 80-some years of sort-continuity, for something that is inherently subjective. its "oh but you haven't read what I read so you don't know the REAL character" nonsense. there is no real character to Superman, Joker or whatever, only versions of them. your favored version isn't popular, thats all.

[John Cribati]

Given that comic series nowadays are vaguely equivalent to published fanfiction, it's less that the old versions are less popular, just that comics tend to pander to the edgelords who are here forthright realism over. Having fun.

[Lord Raziere]

Given that comic series nowadays are vaguely equivalent to published fanfiction, it's less that the old versions are less popular, just that comics tend to pander to the edgelords who are here forthright realism over. Having fun.

I don't care what your definition of fan fiction or edgelord is. people have different ideas about stuff, and all your doing is insulting them because they were born after you and aren't as interested in the past as you are. its not your Superman, big deal. some older superman was better, okay, whatever. I'm sure that superman would totally kick All-Mights butt at being a rainbow sparkle pony whatever you want to argue. you mentioned an older thing, congratulations you win forever.

you have your symbol, let me have mine.

[lord_khaine]

*shrug* now your just moving goalposts. I'm not going to read whatever obscure comics you think are good among 80-some years of sort-continuity, for something that is inherently subjective. its "oh but you haven't read what I read so you don't know the REAL character" nonsense. there is no real character to Superman, Joker or whatever, only versions of them. your favored version isn't popular, thats all.

No, im not moving the goalpoast anywhere.
Im telling you that what your standing behind isnt a goal at all.
But hey, if you want to settle for pretending to know the character then by all means be my guest.

[Lord Raziere]

No, im not moving the goalpoast anywhere.
Im telling you that what your standing behind isnt a goal at all.
But hey, if you want to settle for pretending to know the character then by all means be my guest.

Its all pretending, the character isn't real, you just want your version to somehow show me "the light" of your own subjective interpretation of him and to feel superior because you have a read thing that I have not. congratulations you win at "having read a thing I haven't" you are clearly the superior nerd who objectively knows everything better than me, just because you think something is of higher quality and therefore feel the need to "share the better quality" with me so that I can be enlightened as to who is the "the real Superman".

But there is no real superman. He is just an idea. An idea can take many forms. and if All-Might can embody that idea better to some people than Superman himself, and don't care for any other form? There is absolutely no problem with that. If Superman is really that great a guy, he wouldn't care about it.

[LaZodiac]

Pictured here, the eternal struggle. The irreconcilable differences between Western Comic and Eastern Manga fans. They are as two different medias entirely, despite seemingly being the same on the surface.

[-D-]

Pictured here, the eternal struggle. The irreconcilable differences between Western Comic and Eastern Manga fans. They are as two different medias entirely, despite seemingly being the same on the surface.

IMO Manga wins any time of the day.
Because Western Comics are comercialized to hell[1]

But that seems like a subject for another thread.

[1]To elaborate here is a made up example - Oh, Batman and Catwoman are getting married. But psych! Satan annuls their marriage. Ok, Catwoman and Harley Quinn are getting married. Sike! That reality was erased by the Anti-Anti-Monitor. Seriously now, Batman is hanging the mantle and is marrying Talia. Except, not! It was all a ploy to trick zombie-Ra's into revealing himself!

For a more real example. Berserk put one its main character into a rape induced coma for what's in reality 20+ years (and in comic several years). Do you know how much balls you'd need to suggesting doing the same to one of DCs main cast? Best example I can think is Oracle being crippled.

[Dienekes]

IMO Manga wins any time of the day.
Because Western Comics are comercialized to hell[1]

But that seems like a subject for another thread.

[1]To elaborate here is a made up example - Oh, Batman and Catwoman are getting married. But psych! Satan annuls their marriage. Ok, Catwoman and Harley Quinn are getting married. But psych! That reality was erased by the Anti-Anti-Monitor. Seriously, Batman is hanging the mantle and is marrying Talia. Except, not. It was all a ploy to trick zombie-Rash into revealing himself!

Eh. I’m kinda in the middle here. The best comics I’ve ever read were Western. All-Star Superman, Watchmen, Sandman, Maus, Transmetropolitan. But the best that have happened in the continuous long-running comics are mostly just short stories by great authors. Kraven’s Last Hunt is brilliant. The Last Stand at Gjallerbru effected me more than anything I’ve ever read in a manga.

Unfortunately, because these characters get passed along to other authors you get so much walk back. Kraven and Skurge are both alive now. They have nothing half as interesting as their death. But they’re back for some stupid reason.

Manga for me has never reached the heights of the best Western comics. But it’s so much more consistent and can read like an actual planned story.

Though I do have to say. Morrison’s Superman is insanely popular. I don’t know where the idea he wasn’t came from.

[GloatingSwine]

Unfortunately, because these characters get passed along to other authors you get so much walk back. Kraven and Skurge are both alive now. They have nothing half as interesting as their death. But they’re back for some stupid reason.

This is the actual problem.

Because the western comics publishing model is specialised around continual presentation of the same characters indefinitely, there must always be another Batman story, or Spider-Man story or so on, and over time people come in to write the character that just want to play with the toys they used to read about when they were young, and stories that leave strong impressions are more, not less, likely to suffer such interference.

So for example although he usually ends up dead again at the end, Skurge will periodically have to do a turn on the panels because people remember how that went the first time and want to bask in the afterglow.

[Rater202]

Kraven ... alive now. They have nothing half as interesting as their death. But they’re back for some stupid reason

Kraven is dead now... Kinda. There's a clone-son that's taken up the Mantle of Kraven the Hunter but is explicitly a different character who doesn't have the original's memories and there might be another clone running around becuase Kraven's Arc in Unbeatable Squirrel Girl doesn't gel with the events of Hunted(notably, him showing up alive after he canonically died... And his Heal/Face Turn.)

Hunted is basically a Call Back to Kraven's Last Hunt. Hunted made me cry for a monkey man.

[LaZodiac]

Even if it's very very good, there's a level of "what the actual **** is comics???" from that post Rater.

[John Cribati]

I don't care what your definition of fan fiction or edgelord is. people have different ideas about stuff, and all your doing is insulting them because they were born after you and aren't as interested in the past as you are. its not your Superman, big deal. some older superman was better, okay, whatever. I'm sure that superman would totally kick All-Mights butt at being a rainbow sparkle pony whatever you want to argue. you mentioned an older thing, congratulations you win forever.

you have your symbol, let me have mine.

Jokes on you, I'm not even into comics. I'm just in adjacent circles.

My point was more that there isn't very much you can actually say about Superman, or Batman, or... most long-running comic book characters actually... without specifying author. These characters get reboots and alternate universes and refluffs and animated series and movies and whatnot every few years, and they come with new authors and artists and plotlines. So yes, Stoic Superman exists. So does Goody-Two-Shoes Boy Scout Superman. So does Santa-Claus-Beard-Last-Man-On-Earth-Mourning-Bruce-Wayne-and-Wielding-A-Ridiculous-Gun Superman. So it's less that "All Might is a better hero than Superman" and more like "All Might is a better hero than this specific iteration of Superman.

[Lord Raziere]

Jokes on you, I'm not even into comics. I'm just in adjacent circles.

My point was more that there isn't very much you can actually say about Superman, or Batman, or... most long-running comic book characters actually... without specifying author. These characters get reboots and alternate universes and refluffs and animated series and movies and whatnot every few years, and they come with new authors and artists and plotlines. So yes, Stoic Superman exists. So does Goody-Two-Shoes Boy Scout Superman. So does Santa-Claus-Beard-Last-Man-On-Earth-Mourning-Bruce-Wayne-and-Wielding-A-Ridiculous-Gun Superman. So it's less that "All Might is a better hero than Superman" and more like "All Might is a better hero than this specific iteration of Superman.

Jokes on you, what you said has nothing to do with what you just said here.

insulting people for being "edgelords" and complaining about "published fan fiction" is a flimsy excuse for the point you just made here. you could just said this in the first place, if you really meant that. and so what if you did?

iterations mean nothing when it comes to comic books, if the only difference is emphasis on this or that. I don't care about 99% of superman, I got other characters to fill my headspace with than endless variations of him. to me there is just superman. One. A superman put in many situations, but just superman nonetheless. Because thats basically the sanest way to parse the multitudes of comic book continuity, movies, fan stuff and so on: there is only one character in many situations and that specific situation has come about from a bunch of multiversal nonsense of this and that writer, that don't really matter, because at the end of day, its all to write stories about one guy.

I mean there are a multiple versions of characters from mythology, but at a certain point, they are too big for specific iterations. I mean we get it, X character has done lots of things. even if I read about them, the iterations would probably all just blend together into one composite superman anyways. and to be honest, I barely see any difference the multiple iterations of other characters. Its all the same character in the end. just different aspects and emphasis on certain things.

[John Cribati]

Insulting people for being "edgelords" and complaining about "published fan fiction" is a flimsy excuse for the point you just made here. you could just said this in the first place, if you really meant that. and so what if you did?

... I did neither of those things. Granted both of those terms have something of a negative connotation, but "edgelord" is a lot easier to say that than "person who prefers media with gritty realism and darker tones over lighter stories."

But my statement that current comics are akin to fanfiction was just that... A statement. As in, it's fiction written by someone who is a fan of the work/character, creating stories inside of the universe. These specific ones just... Get published and drawn and become part of canon.

So actually, both points still stand and neither of them directly conflict with my later point.

Not that I'm tryong to convince you of anything anymore, what with the whole "not caring" thing you've got going on.

[Devonix]

One issue is simply going to be the difference in length. Sometimes when someone is comparing a manga to a comic, you have a Manga that's an entire series taking place in

Most Manga are what 50-60 volumes. An entire series is about the equivalent of one Comic author Run. That's why when people say things like Grant Morrison Superman. Or Chris Clairmont X-men. These are people who wrote a character for years, and told complete storied. The fact that someone else came along later and told different stories, doesn't mean those ones aren't worthwhile.

Hell in comics you're expected, to collect an author's work, not everything for a character.

[-D-]

But then again if Squid!Superman and Lego! Superman and Grimdank!Superman are all Superman, you get into No True Super-Scoctsman territory.

I.e. I hate Morrison run, oh well, Mark Waid's better. Ok, but I dislike Superman forgetting the core of his character. Did you see is Lego Superman?... Ad nauseum.

Superman isn't a character. He's a brand. A corporation mascot, that can be stamped onto nearly any character.

All might is a character. Superman isn't.

[Rater202]

Even if it's very very good, there's a level of "what the actual **** is comics???" from that post Rater.

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Unbeatable Squirrel Girl had a Kraven as a recurring character with Doreen eventually convincing himself to mend his ways.

However, Hunted establishes that every appearance of Kraven in the last couple of years has been a clone he forced the High Evolutionary to make of him, that he raised as his sons after he murdered most of his family for being disappointments following his forced resurrection.

In Hunted, after one of Kraven's clone sons hunts down and kills the others to prove his worth, Kraven sets up a situation wherein Central Park is tunrd into one of Arcade's murder Worlds and a bunch of rich asshats, the kind of people who pay good money to go hunt an endangered species? use VR headsets to remote pilot killer robots armed with ultra deadly weapons to hunt in it.

the prey it's stocked with? Every animal-themed Super that Kraven could get Taskmaster and Black Ant to kidnap. (Taskmaster also sold out Black ant, but he felt bad abut it later and came back for him.)

And also Spider-Man.

A couple of minor villains got killed--including Gibbon, a z-List Spider-Man villain whose thing is that he's been mocked his entire life becuase he's a mutant with the power of simian physiology(which means he has a rough approximation of Spider-Man's powers) who tried to be Spider-Man's sidekick but... Peter kind of has this thing where he laughs when he's uncomfortable, and Gibbon misinterpreted Peter laughing at the random request to be his sidekick as mockery and snapped.

There's an entire issue told from Gibbon's perspective where we see his whole life story as he lays dying and... It made me cry. The hunter that killed him wasn't trying to get point in the hunt, they saw him injured and helpless and decided to mercy kill him instead of letting one of the more psychopathic hunters skin him alive or something.

Later, with how ut of character Kraven's being with the arming the rich asshat hunters, it turns out that they're also being hunted. They can't take the headsets off and if their robot is broken, the headset will kill them.

Meanwhile, Arcade give the Vulture a gadget that will mess with the hunter's robots and make them easy to destroy, letting Vulture take control of the villains who survived the next wave and lead them into battle.

Kraven's motivation for it was three-fold: Force the animal-themed villains to live as animals, force the rich-jerk hunters to understand what a real hunt is like, and push Spider-Man to his breaking point and make him into a killer.

Kraven doesn't get it. Spider-Man as chosen by the Spider to beat that Totem and given its powers. Why doesn't he live up to the Spider's reputation? One of the most frightening, and, pound for pound, deadliest predators in the world.

He wants to force Spider-Man to embrace his role as a Spider and then fight to the death, you see, because Kraven is cursed to be unable to die until either he kills Spider-Man or Spider-Man kills him.

Peter goes through some serious crap in this arc(up to an including being led to believe that he's directly responsible for Curtis Connors reverting to his feral persona and molding a dozen mercenaries to death) but he manages to hold onto his morals and get through to Kraven. Kraven becomes convinced that he was overfocusing, that it's the "Man" that keeps the Spider in check and only uses it's positive aspects that makes Spider-Man worthy of it, cancels the hunt, lets everyone whose still alive go(most of the villains escape but the rich jerks who were hunting living human beings all got arrested) and then he puts on a Spider-Man costume and tricks his clone son into killing him, which satisfies the curse.

the clone son is devastated when he unmasks "Spider-Man" to find his father, but then finds a note basically saying that Kraven would be dead at the end of the day, one way or another, and that the clone is his legacy, with the Clone donning the Lion Vest and assuming the mantle of Kraven the Hunter.

But in then in Unbeatable Squirrel Girl # 49,which takes place Chronologically after Hunted, Kraven leads a group of (semi-)reformed villains—himself, a Skrull Mutant, Moleman, Rattoskr, The Hippo, and a self-aware sentinel—to help Dorean after an alliance of Doreen's greatest enemies start ruining her life and even managing to overpower the Avengers and he's clearly the one that Doreen knew, implying that Doreen's friend Kraven was a clone who survived the Clone-Son's purge.

[Devonix]

But then again if Squid!Superman and Lego! Superman and Grimdank!Superman are all Superman, you get into No True Super-Scoctsman territory.

I.e. I hate Morrison run, oh well, Mark Waid's better. Ok, but I dislike Superman forgetting the core of his character. Did you see is Lego Superman?... Ad nauseum.

Superman isn't a character. He's a brand. A corporation mascot, that can be stamped onto nearly any character.

All might is a character. Superman isn't.

You could say the same thing about someone like Robin Hood, Hercules, or Sherlock Holmes. There's a reason why people say there are no bad comic book characters, just bad runs.

[Callos_DeTerran]

But then again if Squid!Superman and Lego! Superman and Grimdank!Superman are all Superman, you get into No True Super-Scoctsman territory.

I.e. I hate Morrison run, oh well, Mark Waid's better. Ok, but I dislike Superman forgetting the core of his character. Did you see is Lego Superman?... Ad nauseum.

Superman isn't a character. He's a brand. A corporation mascot, that can be stamped onto nearly any character.

All might is a character. Superman isn't.

I disagree with this so much. Simply because he is. All the other versions and and what not take a character, not a mascot, but a character and go 'but what if this part of them was different?' That can only happen if there is a general consensus of what Superman is. And when a given author has a noteworthy run, elements of that run tend to be distilled into who the character that everyone knows and loves.

You might as well say that no comic book character is actually a character. It makes no sense.

For the record, All Might and Superman are both fine symbols of Hope, its just a matter of which you prefer. Superman for me, all the way. All Might is still great too, there honestly just needs to be more figures like both in fiction.

EDIT: That interview between Horikoshi and Kubo is honestly kind of fascinating, getting a look into Kubo's process but it basically confirms a conversation I had with my friends a while back. Kubo very much works in reverse. He has an idea for something he wants to happen, and then puts thing together to get to that point. Which..explains so much honestly because those are good scenes or oments like he wants, but the events leading up to them are often jumbled and messed up. Also, Horikoshi has a point about Kubo's characters having impressive presence that's partially helped by being framed by massive voids.

[-D-]

That can only happen if there is a general consensus of what Superman is.

Is there? Pretty sure Zack Snyder's run was quite popular. Does Superman snaps necks now? And if not, why not?

You might as well say that no comic book character is actually a character. It makes no sense.

I am saying that most modern popular comic book characters aren't characters. Batman isn't a character. Joker isn't a character. It's just an assortment of characters wearing a similar mask, and having a similar backstory.

The talk was originally comparing All Might to Superman. Comparing All Might to Superman is like comparing Superman to A Hero? Which Hero? Yes!

You either have to specify which Superman or I am mentally setting Superman to Zack Snyder's.

[Callos_DeTerran]

Is there? Pretty sure Zack Snyder's run was quite popular. Does Superman snaps necks now? And if not, why not?

You're being sarcastic I imagine. Cause no, it wasn't popular and that was part of the reason. Even in the story that Synder was trying to tell, that moment was not who Superman is or was.

Hence the backlash to it.

I am saying that most modern popular comic book characters aren't characters. Batman isn't a character. Joker isn't a character. It's just an assortment of characters wearing a similar mask, and having a similar backstory.

No, by your metric, any comic book character who has had more than one author aren't characters. Which weirdly enough includes Goku.

The talk was originally comparing All Might to Superman. Comparing All Might to Superman is like comparing Superman to A Hero? Which Hero? Yes!

You either have to specify which Superman or I am mentally setting Superman to Zack Snyder's.

Now you're just being deliberately obtuse.

[-D-]

You're being sarcastic I imagine. Cause no, it wasn't popular and that was part of the reason.

Not at all. They made sequels because it sold like hot cakes. It is popular, just not with old fans or writers.

And it makes some amount of sense, because Superman is a symbol of Hope, and America. As such, Superman being a more pragmatic, whatever-it-takes character is more in line with how Americans percieve America, than boy scouts Superman.

No, by your metric, any comic book character who has had more than one author aren't characters. Which weirdly enough includes Goku.

Oh, no, Goku the living embodiment of Shonen Powers Escalation is not a character. Whatever will I doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Oh, wait. No. Goku is barely a character. He's more like a boulder you smash into your enemies, after talking about surpassing said enemy. Are you trying to prove my point?

However, I don't agree fully with "must come from a single author". Two or more authors could synchronize about making a coherent world. Just not authors separated by years if not decades, never speaking to one another.

Now you're just being deliberately obtuse.

If you have to preface statement like "Superman is good", with "in Morrison's run", it stands to reason you must preface any similar claim about Superman vs All Might.

[Ramza00]

Pivots the conversation back to something else, and to something I find interesting about the original conversation starter.

Here is the interview by the way!

And girl, you really don't know. Horikoshi has had two series. The first one, Oumagadoki Zoo, which is honestly really good as a first series, was cancelled at 29 chapters. Barrage of the Battle Star, which was BRILLIANT, was cancelled AT SIXTEEN CHAPTERS.

My Hero is the first time he's ever hit FIFTY, let alone triple digits. To put it bluntly he IS Deku, thinking he's a failure and trying one last shot, straight from the heart. And he did it. It's so good.

The thought of not only getting to sit side by side with my idols and hear them praise me, but for people overseas who I idolize to be using my work as reference to for to make THEIR stuff better, would actually ****ing kill me.

The ironic thing is Season 4 of My Hero Academia is airing in Japan right now (it will come to the US as a dubbed soon enough) and themes of an inferiority complex and imposter / fraud syndrome is one of the themes that Season deals with.

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In the end it is all about the "impressions" we leave on others.

[John Cribati]

That can only happen if there is a general consensus of what Superman is.

Emphasis mine.

Virtually every version of Superman is an alien from Krypton who was sent to Earth as a baby to escape the explosion of his planet. He is empowered under the light of a yellow sun and weakened by a green rock called Kryptonite. He has super Strength and Speed, and a variety of vision powers, such as X-Ray and Laser vision. He is believed to be the last Kryptonian, but much like Saiyans and Uchihas, there are more than a handful that show up, either to help him or oppose him.

In the majority of most runs, he is found by Martha and Jonathan Kent, who live in Smallville, Kansas and give him the human name "Clark." He moves to Metropolis eventually and works as a reporter for the Daily Planet. His love interest is usually his co-worker Lois Lane.

That's virtually everything that I can think of that is consistent among more than about 70% of Superman runs, no matter the author. There are probably more things that are consistent about him legacy-wise. I'm not an aficionado here. But there are also a decent number of stories where he is found and raised by different people, in different countries. Stories where he has more than a few random nonsense powers. Stories where Kryptonite comes in every color ofnthe rainbow and each has a different effect on him.

Who he is- his character- changes depending on which author wrote him and the time period. He may show the restraint and patience of a Tibetan monk, he may be kind of trigger-happy with the neck snaps, or he can be more than a bit of a jerk.

So I would agree that he's more of a brand than an actual character at this point.

[-D-]

Speaking of alter egos. I'm surprised All Might didn't have some kind of Goverment protection alter ego.

Now you might be thinking. Why would All Might need government protection? But if you are a villain an know who All Might is, why not kidnap his loved ones. He may be able to move fast and punch hard, but he can't be at two places at once.

[Ramza00]

Speaking of alter egos. I'm surprised All Might didn't have some kind of Goverment protection alter ego.

Now you might be thinking. Why would All Might need government protection? But if you are a villain an know who All Might is, why not kidnap his loved ones. He may be able to move fast and punch hard, but he can't be at two places at once.

This has been talked about before which you can read about...

But let's reverse it to cover new ground. What benefit would there be to kidnap the Police Chief / Commissioner's Daughter?

[Rater202]

All of All-Might's known loved ones are in the Superhero business.

The most vulnerable one as of right now is Deku, his apprentice, who is only a recent associate and whose connection to All-Might is kept under wraps.

And in the event of the worst-case scenario is, strictly speaking, even faster and stronger than All-Might. He'd break his arms or legs doing it, but if it came to it anyone coming after him to hurt All-Might can easily be punted across the horizon and then the school nurse would kiss his owies and make them better... Or at least, as better as they'll get.

I'm honestly expecting that some kind of healing factor that works on scars and malformed bone is going to be one of the Quirk's he's getting just becuase he's already suffered permanent damage in his arms and switching to his legs seems more like it's only slowing the inevitable, especially since he hurts himself using black whip too and will likely be similarly at risk with some of his other quirks.

At his current rate, he's gonna permanently break himself before he fully masters One For All and the tenth wielder is gonna have an even harder time.

(I'm also expecting that Deku will be the last wielder for One For All. Either he'll be able to make a lasting impression on society and remove the need for a Symbol of Peace and Justice and the quirk will die with him or he'll just live forever for some reason or another. This is mostly based on the idea that he's going to be the one to complete One For All.)

[LaZodiac]

Speaking of alter egos. I'm surprised All Might didn't have some kind of Goverment protection alter ego.

Now you might be thinking. Why would All Might need government protection? But if you are a villain an know who All Might is, why not kidnap his loved ones. He may be able to move fast and punch hard, but he can't be at two places at once.

I mean... that's a bold assumption. He probably does have governmental protection on his alter ego... which of course raises the question of what even IS an alter ego in this universe, given that super heroes basically have to market themselves.

Which brings me to another point; who... actually IS connected to All Might, exactly, that a villain could target? We know of exactly four people with which he is actually associated with in any real capacity. Gran Torino, someone so obscure even Deku didn't know who he was. Tsukouchi, a random cop who literally looks non-descript. Deku himself, who is very new. And publically he was associated (and I think dated) Sir Nighteye... a super hero who is known to literally be able to see the future. And if you factor the movie as canon which I do, there's also David Shield but he's a scientist in America and no one who is a villain is going to spend money on an airplane ticket to kidnap the symbol of peace's bestie.

So yeah, there isn't actually... people, in All Might's life TO target.

[Devonix]

All of All-Might's known loved ones are in the Superhero business.

The most vulnerable one as of right now is Deku, his apprentice, who is only a recent associate and whose connection to All-Might is kept under wraps.

And in the event of the worst-case scenario is, strictly speaking, even faster and stronger than All-Might. He'd break his arms or legs doing it, but if it came to it anyone coming after him to hurt All-Might can easily be punted across the horizon and then the school nurse would kiss his owies and make them better... Or at least, as better as they'll get.

I'm honestly expecting that some kind of healing factor that works on scars and malformed bone is going to be one of the Quirk's he's getting just becuase he's already suffered permanent damage in his arms and switching to his legs seems more like it's only slowing the inevitable, especially since he hurts himself using black whip too and will likely be similarly at risk with some of his other quirks.

At his current rate, he's gonna permanently break himself before he fully masters One For All and the tenth wielder is gonna have an even harder time.

(I'm also expecting that Deku will be the last wielder for One For All. Either he'll be able to make a lasting impression on society and remove the need for a Symbol of Peace and Justice and the quirk will die with him or he'll just live forever for some reason or another. This is mostly based on the idea that he's going to be the one to complete One For All.)

I disagree about Deku being the last holder of One for all. For one very specific reason. The narritive conceit of this series is that it's Deku telling the story of how he became the greatest hero. Well Who's he telling this story to? I'm thinking that the entire series is a story that Deku is telling to his successor.

[-D-]

But let's reverse it to cover new ground. What benefit would there be to kidnap the Police Chief / Commissioner's Daughter?

As I said, he can't be at both places at once. Imagine you have a plan that hinges on not having to deal with All Might.

Or maybe just for revenge/evulz? Like All-Might sends your guys to the slammer, you send his father and/or mother to the grave. He probably had parents when he became All-Might. As far as I see, he's married to his job, so not much leverage there.

EDIT: Yeah, I didn't read the previous pages, plus I wanted to avoid discussing Western comic in what's a thread devoted to MHA. Sorry if it came as jarring.