Hero Oh Hero

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Well. 3 is among them. Im not -that- worried.
Even if the ghoul isnt disabled. While i dont think 3 can kill a ghoul, im also quite certain a ghoul cant kill 3.
And i am quite certain 3 should be able to kick a ghoul off a train.

Clarification: I meant Foxy, Shalia and Maria. There was more damage on the train, one of them could have fallen off and had their head explode. Tobi isn't going to die. It's her book.

Speaking of Three, Cop and Snitch, where is the fourth contestant?

[lord_khaine]

Ah. Well i really dont worry about that team whatsoever.
The Paladin or Foxy should at most be annoyed by falling off a train.
And i dont care if the last one does so.

[Kantaki]

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So Ghouls actually run on RPG mechanics?
Poor Infini-Ghoul. No level-up for you.
Running into high level foes on your starter mission is just unfair...

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Ah. Well i really dont worry about that team whatsoever.
The Paladin or Foxy should at most be annoyed by falling off a train.
And i dont care if the last one does so.

I suspect Maria is the one that knows more about this experiment. Or is the fugitive.

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Also @Kantaki. It's just level gateing the ghoul.

[Kantaki]

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Aww. It's hatching already.
The miracle of life, everybody.

Come on Ghoulfinite, you can do it!
Getting out of the egg at least.
I've got my doubts about beating the Paladin.

[Ailurus]

Well, guess we get to find out exactly how durable Ghoulfinite actually is. And I think all the visible damage to the train is accounted for now.

[lord_khaine]

I doubt its enough to actually leave any lasting damage.
We saw he regrew his head.
The paladin who are best informed seemed to think it safer to just kick him off the train.

[Kantaki]

Yeah, whatever game the Ghouls are playing, it doesn't seem to feature perma-death.
And this looks like one of those cheap "It's 200% dead! Wait. shouldn't my head be attached to my body?" shock moments.
Only this party's genre savy.

[lord_khaine]

I dont think they considder it dead.
Just exploded off the train.

[Kantaki]

I dont think they considder it dead.
Just exploded off the train.

Of course they don't. Never claimed so.
They know what they are dealing with.

But how often in horror cheer for the monster movies do you get a "There's no way anyone could've survived this." followed by a "It's still alive! Inconceivable!" when the monster inevitably pops up again.
Them going "He'll be back." is nice I guess.

[Kantaki]

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So, who wants to bet on Maria trying something ill advised?
I kinda expect Shalia will have to make good on her warning.

Also, implied chapter drop incoming?
Those are always neat.

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Guy's scary.
Kicking all those wasps to death midair aside, facing the assassin offscreen after a ominous announcement?
Him being a Royal Guard is probably the most harmless explanation I can think off.

[Ailurus]

Well, back to Noah and Noel it looks like. On the plus side, there aren't that many people left who can get killed by the nightmares at the moment!

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Guy's scary.
Kicking all those wasps to death midair aside, facing the assassin offscreen after a ominous announcement?
Him being a Royal Guard is probably the most harmless explanation I can think off.

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Yeah, Guy definitely has something else going on. Royal Guard would be the most harmless explanation, but then most of the time we've seen the royal guards they haven't actually performed all that well.

Can the heroes actually do anything to Pablo? He still has diplomatic immunity, and when the announcement came down, it was for Piper and Burke but Pablo wasn't on it. So why the heroes may want answers from Pablo not sure what they can do without breaking their own rules.

[Kornaki]

To be honest, I don't see why they would hurt Pablo if he tells the truth. They're here to ask questions. If they were working for the esper they would just be here to kill him at this point.

[lord_khaine]

I really dont think Guy's thing is being a Royal Guard.
Since so far he hasnt done anything on screen that makes a Royal Guard stand out compared to him.
If anything he has more badass feats to his name than Royal Guards right now.

So what he is revealing now is something extreme.

To be honest, I don't see why they would hurt Pablo if he tells the truth. They're here to ask questions. If they were working for the esper they would just be here to kill him at this point.

This does seem to be the case i think. Not every hero is in on the conspiracy.
And so quite likely these are just regular low-level heroes, who are genuinly confused about what the heck is going on.

[Kantaki]

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Heh. Talking is (not) a free action.

But from the sounds of it surviving working in Black Crystal mines isn't the only way to get Esper powers.
Bad news: It still sucks. Noel got his from something connected to Chernyl from the sound of if.

I'm guessing he's not connected to the original incident?
Unless Noel is way older than it seems.
So either I'm misunderstanding something or Malhart wasn't entirely effective in containing nightmare girl.

You know, unless little Noel went into Chernyl's room when he really shouldn't have I'm starting to think the Secret Police wasn't entirely wrong with their plan A.

Anyway, sounds like to get them out of this Nightmare Noah has to face Noel's nighmares of Chernyl's other Nightmares.
Joy.

Is there a plan B?
Oh. Wait. That one went down the drain a while ago, didn't it?
Plan C2 then. Just a few more and were back to blowing stuff up.

[Kornaki]

Took me a while to notice the faces at the top.

So much for letting the food surprise him.

[Gez]

No comment box on today's comic at the moment, so I'll just say it here instead: lucky for Noah, Daddy does have vegetables to eat! Elves have plant powers, so they are plants, right? The meal is not very fresh, that one was waiting in the sewers for a few months, but that just gives it more flavor!

[TeChameleon]

... if Noah's vegetarian, I think he's established some kind of record by going this long without telling anyone...

[Kantaki]

... if Noah's vegetarian, I think he's established some kind of record by going this long without telling anyone...

I guess that's why the Nightmare thought he was lying.

Does anyone else think the vegetarian dish will be worse than the freshly harvested human hearts?

[Grim Portent]

So this conversation is giving us some context on Chernyl's power, it seems that at least some of the nightmares cease to exist the moment her power is taken out. Or at least their physical manifestations stop.

Granted this could be inferred from the fact that stopping her was a viable plan in the first place, but this feels like more solid confirmation of it.

Daddy at least seems to have kept existing in the time between now and Chernyl's last incident, but been unable to prey upon people until her power was unleashed again. Presumably at least some of the other nightmares play by the same rules.

Which leads to the possibility that the nightmares aren't created by Chernyl, instead being extra-dimensional beings that invade reality through her dreams but which exist independantly of her. Or they are interdimensional horrors created by Chernyl who then continue to exist as conscious beings even when her powers don't work.

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Pretty sure Tobi showed all Pandemonium users (even Noah) have a Spirit Raid Boss attached to them that does magic stuff. And in exchange, when Pandemonium users die they become ghouls, possessed by the same spirit raid boss.

Whether the magic stuff is look at people's nightmares and make them manifest or pull nightmare out of nightmare world is irrelevant. For now at least. Unless inner mental world is some noosphere that makes imagined stuff real.

[lord_khaine]

I dont think we have had it confirmed yet that Noah is a pandemonium user.

As for the nightmares having existed while Cheryl was sealed.
Well Daddy directly complained about being by Malhart. Perhaps he less negated Cheryls power, and more locked it up.

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I dont think we have had it confirmed yet that Noah is a pandemonium user.

According to doctor. There are three magic user types: Spirit users (just classic magic), Pandemonium (classic magic + some unique form) and Free magic (magic based on users self impossed rule, which can't use classic spirit magic).

Can Noah use classic spirit magic - yes. Not Free Magic user. Can Noah use non-spirit magic - Yes. Hence, Pandemonium.
QED.

[lord_khaine]

Except.. we have in fact newer had it stated Free Magic users cant learn spirit magic.
Hence no QED :P
No QED? Not proven Pandamonium. Noah might be free magic.

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Except.. we have in fact newer had it stated Free Magic users cant learn spirit magic.
Hence no QED :P
No QED? Not proven Pandamonium. Noah might be free magic.

That might be from Discord or Patreon, but I remember neorice saying Free Magic users can't use spirit, it would be like powering a car (spirit art) with a nuclear blast (free magic).

[lord_khaine]

Ah.. see amusingly.. i recall hearing vaguely the opposite before leaving the discord.
That free magic users could learn spirit techniques, but that it just isnt worth it because free magic offer them so much more.

[Forum Explorer]

Pretty sure Tobi showed all Pandemonium users (even Noah) have a Spirit Raid Boss attached to them that does magic stuff. And in exchange, when Pandemonium users die they become ghouls, possessed by the same spirit raid boss.

Whether the magic stuff is look at people's nightmares and make them manifest or pull nightmare out of nightmare world is irrelevant. For now at least. Unless inner mental world is some noosphere that makes imagined stuff real.

Where are you getting the bolded bit from? I'm pretty sure that if every pandemonium user became a ghoul when they died, people would have noticed that by now and would've secured Infinite's corpse as a result.

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Ah.. see amusingly.. i recall hearing vaguely the opposite before leaving the discord.
That free magic users could learn spirit techniques, but that it just isnt worth it because free magic offer them so much more.

The wiki states
https://hero-oh-hero.fandom.com/wiki/Magic
Additionally,
https://hero-oh-hero.fandom.com/wiki/Noah

Other than that, it should be obvious. If something is basic, like shield, cover, mask, etc. It's spirit user.

If it's niche and non-adjustable it's Pandemonium. Sonny with Earth manipulation, Ariara with metal manipulation, etc.

If it's powerful, themed and adjustable it's free magic. See Alex with books, that Justopea bandana lady with weapons, etc.

Where are you getting the bolded bit from? I'm pretty sure that if every pandemonium user became a ghoul when they died, people would have noticed that by now and would've secured Infinite's corpse as a result.

From last time Paladin talked about ghouls she mentioned. Magic users aren't supposed to become ghouls this quickly. Implying that they do become one eventually.

Infinite was unique that he turned in minutes. Would people notice if say few corpses turned every century?

[lord_khaine]

The wiki states
https://hero-oh-hero.fandom.com/wiki/Magic
Additionally,
https://hero-oh-hero.fandom.com/wiki/Noah

Other than that, it should be obvious. If something is basic, like shield, cover, mask, etc. It's spirit user.

If it's niche and non-adjustable it's Pandemonium. Sonny with Earth manipulation, Ariara with metal manipulation, etc.

If it's powerful, themed and adjustable it's free magic. See Alex with books, that Justopea bandana lady with weapons, etc.

Sorry, but knowing its likely the nutters from the dischord being behind the fan wiki, then i dont give much if anything for it, especially when it cant list sources
I mean i could spend ½ an hour putting up a wiki page saying the opposite of what this does. But it would not be any more of a viable source than this.

And no. Its not obvious. Else we would not be debating it.
The question is not of the main difference between magic potential, pandemonium powers, and free magic.

Its if free magic users can also learn spirit powers. Because if they can, then we know so little about Noahs power its impossible to say for certain what it is.
It could be pandemonium yeah. But his "what do you wish for?" could also be how his free magic manifests.

From last time Paladin talked about ghouls she mentioned. Magic users aren't supposed to become ghouls this quickly. Implying that they do become one eventually.

Infinite was unique in that he turned in minutes. Would people notice if say few corpses turned every century?

Well that could just as well mean that -some- dead pandemonium mages turned into ghouls after having been dead for i dont know, days, weeks?
It was a short limited sentence where the actual topic was the speed a corpse turned into a ghoul.

Also he didnt turn in minuttes. He had at the very least i would claim, have been dead for hours.

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Sorry, but knowing its likely the nutters from the dischord being behind the fan wiki, then i dont give much if anything for it, especially when it cant list sources

Umm, neorice is there, pretty sure he insinuated a few times Noah is pandemonium. I'll see if I can dig a quote.He is literally the word of god.

And Alcemon did decent wiki gathering, he talked to Neorice about it and even some unreleased stuff yet.

And no. Its not obvious. Else we would not be debating it.

I think you might be only one confused by this. I don't see anyone else debating about this.

Also he didnt turn in minuttes. He had at the very least i would claim, have been dead for hours.

Ok, fine, hours.

It still doesn't negate my point. If ghouls are spawned with a quest, what happens if a quest happens every 100-300 years? With a special exception for seasonal events - like the End Times.