Hero Oh Hero

[lord_khaine]

RIP Palmer, only actually adult present.
He will be missed. It was a dumb way to go.

[Kornaki]

For all the crap the JSP gets, #1 at least was definitely going to be executed even if their mission was a success for violating orders. If part of their original mission includes a bunker to hide in, he might have undergone this mission at the expense of his own life to try to save everyone else. He's a jackass but I think he might have just been doing what he thought was best for the city and the country.

[Ailurus]

And, we're officially on Noah and Noel's grand adventure now.

[lord_khaine]

For all the crap the JSP gets, #1 at least was definitely going to be executed even if their mission was a success for violating orders. If part of their original mission includes a bunker to hide in, he might have undergone this mission at the expense of his own life to try to save everyone else. He's a jackass but I think he might have just been doing what he thought was best for the city and the country.

That run contrary to everything we have seen. #1 was the highest ranking officer in the area. It was clearly his decision to estimate if the situation were bad enough to detornate the bomb or not.
But when told of the mission his focus was not on "how do we safe people" but on "how do we get credit for this".

And his dying words were literally scolding another Justopian officer for caring about civilians.

[Grim Portent]

He did say he expected to get executed by his superiors in the event that they succeeded, because his orders weren't to decide if it was appropriate to use the bombs or not, but simply to detonate them the moment Chernyl ceased to be contained. His bosses are probably like him, but worse.

Now he could have had a bit of hope that his superiors might decide not to execute him for insubordination after saving the city, but I imagine he would have had something else that would motivate him to try and avoid using the bombs. Patriotism, a relative in the city that he hadn't become completely distant from, maybe a coffee shop he just really liked, probably not a reason based on genuine compassion for the people of Haven.

[lord_khaine]

Now he could have had a bit of hope that his superiors might decide not to execute him for insubordination after saving the city, but I imagine he would have had something else that would motivate him to try and avoid using the bombs. Patriotism, a relative in the city that he hadn't become completely distant from, maybe a coffee shop he just really liked, probably not a reason based on genuine compassion for the people of Haven.

Hmm.. well it could be he said that.
Though at the same time. If he blow the bomb he will die. If he dont he -might- get excecuted.
So not triggering the bomb is still his own best chance of survival. Where he then either becomes a hero or get shot.

[Grim Portent]

Another option would be that he would die if they succeeded, but 2 and 3 would more likely live, as they didn't disobey any orders. Again likely wouldn't be something motivated by compassion, but more likely a compulsion to control things, a sense of duty or a desire to leave the only kind of legacy a JSP agent can; other agents who knew them.

Broadly speaking I think self preservation was not something that factored in, at least not when there's plenty of things that could be a motivation. Hell, for all we know Number 1 had a wife and kids living in a little house just outside the range of Chernyl's power but inside the blast radius of the bombs, we really don't know much about him other than what we've seen of him in a rather extraordinary circumstance.

[Welf]

So much for Noah and Noel going on an adventure.

[lord_khaine]

I do kinda doubt the bombs outrange Cherryl.

So much for Noah and Noel going on an adventure.

A little early to say so?
I doubt we get rid of Noel at this point. A Nail rescue seems more likely.

[Grim Portent]

I do kinda doubt the bombs outrange Cherryl.

Not so sure myself, her power is kind of vague in terms of range, and even small nukes (red mushroom bombs really heavily implies nuclear equivalent devices) have quite large ranges. Unless her powers have reached past even the most distant suburbs of Haven I think the nukes might still be able to hit some people with lethal effects that aren't in range for Chernyl's nightmares yet.

[lord_khaine]

Not so sure myself, her power is kind of vague in terms of range, and even small nukes (red mushroom bombs really heavily implies nuclear equivalent devices) have quite large ranges. Unless her powers have reached past even the most distant suburbs of Haven I think the nukes might still be able to hit some people with lethal effects that aren't in range for Chernyl's nightmares yet.

Not quite that long range.
And something with wings can cover a couple km in a few minuttes.
We lack a guarantee that nightmares cant move outside their spawning zone.
They were real enough they could not be time frozen.

[Gez]

As long as Chernyl herself dies, the nightmare invasion is over. Even if those already here do not disappear, there would be a finite number of them, which could be progressively eradicated.

[lord_khaine]

That.. dont really have anything to do with the current discussion

Also. Milestone comic. Noah does something heroic!
Just Noah rescuing himself is big. Now he rescue someone else.

[Gez]

That.. dont really have anything to do with the current discussion

You're questioning whether the bombs outrange Chernyl's power; they don't need to. As long as Chernyl's physical body is within range, the bombs would work just fine to stop the nightmares. Best case scenario they just disappear without Chernyl's power to sustain them, worst case they remain but will no longer get replenished/multiplied so the area just becomes an adventure zone until it's fully cleared.

[lord_khaine]

You're questioning whether the bombs outrange Chernyl's power; they don't need to. As long as Chernyl's physical body is within range, the bombs would work just fine to stop the nightmares. Best case scenario they just disappear without Chernyl's power to sustain them, worst case they remain but will no longer get replenished/multiplied so the area just becomes an adventure zone until it's fully cleared.

Yeah no. That does in fact show you wasnt aware about what you were responding to

See. It -does- matter if the bombs outrange Cheryls power or not.

Broadly speaking I think self preservation was not something that factored in, at least not when there's plenty of things that could be a motivation. Hell, for all we know Number 1 had a wife and kids living in a little house just outside the range of Chernyl's power but inside the blast radius of the bombs, we really don't know much about him other than what we've seen of him in a rather extraordinary circumstance.

[Gez]

Then it's irrelevant because they have no way of knowing for sure what Chernyl's range anyway.


New chapter drop: Burk, Nightshare, and the mystery of the talking cat!
http://neorice.com/hoh_2433

Funny how Nightshade doesn't seem to think Burk could be an Esper himself. http://neorice.com/hoh_2442

That said, I'm not sure he's an Esper either. Right now, I'm wondering how literal the little shoulder devils should be taken. Because of their reappearance doesn't really fit the usual angle where it's just a depiction of an internal debate.

[lord_khaine]

Then it's irrelevant because they have no way of knowing for sure what Chernyl's range anyway.

It does not matter what they know for sure.
Neither the bombs nor Cherryl is affected by what people think their range are.
But one will still be greater than the other.


Else. I can see i was wrong about Alfen after all. He were a villain of sorts.
Well either that or himself caught by a contract.

And something is indeed up with Burk's shoulder Devils.
Those are not imaginary. They seem more like Ciel than anything else we have seen.

[Kantaki]

New chapter

Huh, Burk's like Noah then? With his own spirit guides?
They do remind me of Ciel a bit.
Or are those just classic shoulder devils? (: Wait, isn't the second guy supposed to be, like, a angel or something?

I mean one of them did warn him about that attack, but that might just be Burk being Burk.
And the shoulder devils being independent being(s) doesn't quite fit Burk being "100% Burk".

In any case it seems the contract isn't working as well as it should be.

[lord_khaine]

So.. dam.. THIS is a massive surprise.
But well gives a bit of an idea where Ghouls come from.

[Kantaki]

Well, that's interesting.
In the "old chinese curse" sense.

Now who's on the steering wheel and how much trouble are they going to be?

[lord_khaine]

I suspect the train is automated to be honest.
Else.. well.. even if its a Ghoulish Infinity?
The Paladin AND the Beast lady is around.

[Kantaki]

I meant who's in control of the Infini-Ghoul and how much trouble will that spell for Team Tobi.

New comic

The vanishing act probably means the answer to the second part is "lots".

[Grim Portent]

Well this tells us an awful lot about ghouls even as it raises more questions.

[lord_khaine]

Yeah. Well for a start it basically confirms ghouls are some sort of spirit inhabiting dead bodies.
That in turn explain why its basically impossible to kill them.

[-D-]

Yeah. Well for a start it basically confirms ghouls are some sort of spirit inhabiting dead bodies.
That in turn explain why its basically impossible to kill them.

I would imagine Espers would be super good at dealing with them.

BTW did anyone notice the train they are on is actually the same one Three rode on? That means the train survived... barely.

[Gez]

I would imagine Espers would be super good at dealing with them.

We've seen an example of how a particular Esper has dealt with a particular ghoul before... Immortal doesn't mean invulnerable after all.

BTW did anyone notice the train they are on is actually the same one Three rode on? That means the train survived... barely.

Everyone did. Hence the sarcastic "Who could have predicted that." author comment here.

[-D-]

We've seen an example of how a particular Esper has dealt with a particular ghoul before... Immortal doesn't mean invulnerable after all.

Yeah, but since GO is an order of Espers, the ghouls wouldn't be such a nuisance.

Everyone did. Hence the sarcastic "Who could have predicted that." author comment here.

Meant, here in this forum, not on the comic comment section. I saw it when crawling around for Cryomata's dialog with Tobi.

[Gez]

Tobi shouldn't assume that Infinite is finished. Mostly because she's been told that ghouls are impossible to kill.

If we compare with 2298, we see two significant traces of damage that have yet to be inflicted. One is the dent which is at about Tobi's position (a little bit more to the side); the other is a hole at Maria's position. (I think her name was Maria; don't feel like archive-trawling to verify it, though.)

[-D-]

Tobi shouldn't assume that Infinite is finished. Mostly because she's been told that ghouls are impossible to kill.

If we compare with 2298, we see two significant traces of damage that have yet to be inflicted. One is the dent which is at about Tobi's position (a little bit more to the side); the other is a hole at Maria's position. (I think her name was Maria; don't feel like archive-trawling to verify it, though.)

True. Decapitation isn't a serious injury. I worry for the other three contestants.

[lord_khaine]

Well. 3 is among them. Im not -that- worried.
Even if the ghoul isnt disabled. While i dont think 3 can kill a ghoul, im also quite certain a ghoul cant kill 3.
And i am quite certain 3 should be able to kick a ghoul off a train.