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2007-10-16, 04:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Masterwork!
According to the RAW, you can use a masterwork tool to give you a +2 bonus to skill checks, for any skill you like. While this is obvious for e.g. lockpicking, it gets somewhat weird with certain other skills. Suggest your masterwork tools for each skill here!
o Appraise: magnifying glass, scales
o Balance: balancing rod, I guess
o Bluff: sunglasses, formal clothing
o Climb: rope (doesn't really make sense), spiked shoes (better)
o Concentration: one of those zen focus thingies
o Craft
o Decipher Script: magnifying glass, again
o Diplomacy: formal clothing, perfume
o Disable Device: general toolkit
o Disguise: make-up kit
o Escape Artist: er, slippery oil? or something?
o Forgery: ah, I figured it out. Formal signet rings and stamps and wax and such.
o Gather Information: local fashionable clothing, perfume, towel!
o Handle Animal: whip, cookies
o Heal: healing kit
o Hide: camouflage clothing
o Intimidate: scary make-up
o Jump: go go gadget springs, pole
o Knowledge: books
o Listen: one of those cone thingies
o Move Silently: padded boots
o Open Lock: lockpicks
o Perform: instrument (or, soapbox, megaphone, note cards, etc)
o Profession
o Ride: saddle
o Search: magnifying glass, again
o Sense Motive: mood ring??
o Sleight Of Hand: a razor ring or sharpened coin
o Spellcraft: some magical gizmo?
o Spot: glasses because you're nearsighted???
o Survival: how-to guide, swiss army knife
o Swim: flotation device?
o Tumble: slippery oil again?
o Use Magic Device: big red button
o Use Rope: the rope, I supposeLast edited by Kurald Galain; 2007-10-17 at 06:40 AM.
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2007-10-16, 04:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Masterwork!
The proper attire might be appropriate for Bluff and Diplomacy. Nobles are more likely to get along with people dressed appropraitely. There might be a mechanic for that already.
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2007-10-16, 05:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Search would be masterwork magnifying glass
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2007-10-16, 05:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Handle Animal would be a Whip and Cookies. Jump would be bouncy boots. Use Magic Device tools could be a big red button?
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2007-10-16, 05:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2007-10-16, 08:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think Speak Language should be on the list, since it doesn't have numerical checks.
Forgery might be a sample-book of different weights of paper. Maybe calipers? A straight-edge and pair of compasses?
A magnifying glass gves +2 to some (some) Appraise checks. Since the Thieves tools cost and weigh twice as much as a single-skill tool, I suppose there's no reason you couldn't create a "set of lenses" that cost 150 gp and weigh 3 lb for Search, Appraise and Decipher Script. Maybe they have to come with a velvet case to avoid scratching?
Knowledge's Masterwork Book could be a useful version of a miscellany, I suppose: lots of facts that are only useful if you have the framework already in place.
Depending on the setting, I supposethat local fashions might help with Gather Info? Maybe?
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2007-10-16, 08:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Bluff: "How To Speak Good" - By Thurg the Ogre. Masterwork book explaining how to bluff your way through any situation. The book name is there to keep normal people from buying it.
Sense Motive: "How To Read The Underlying Currents of Conversation Through Applied Psychology And Theoretical Physics" - Masterwork Sense Motive Book.
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2007-10-16, 08:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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The cone isn't that helpful for Listen, since you don't want to be carrying one around permanently. I suggest crystal earrings ("they retransmit the sound perfectly, yessir !").
For social skills : perfume ! Pheronoms to influence the people...
Survival : How to live in the wilderness for Newbies.
Forgery : there is already a kit somewhere (CAdv perhaps ?) ; same for Ride IIRC - military saddles give you bonuses."Even gods must learn to control their tempers, lest they set a bad example."
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2007-10-16, 08:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by ZeroNumerousBlunder's Law: Just because it can be fixed doesn't mean it's not broken.
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2007-10-16, 09:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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forgery gets vellum, its a mostly clear paper you place over a document to copy it. +2
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2007-10-16, 09:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Sctually, Arms and Equipment Guide has a lot of those types of items. Listening cone was in their along with silent slippers and so others I don't remember. I must say I've always liked masterwork items and Dragonlance makes them much better (+10 bonus to a skill check!!!).
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2007-10-16, 09:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Survival clearly gets a bonus from "Masterwork Stubble".
...which, sort of makes me think of how hairy a female ranger would be. I mean, trekking through the wild unknown, you don't exactly have the chance to shave...anything.
Anyway, I don't think Craft and Profession should really be counted either, since they're too broad a subject. I mean, for profession you could have anything from Masterwork Spices to Masterwork Undies to Masterwork Shoe Polish. Craft...I think there's already a Masterwork Alchemist Lab, right?5e D&D Mythos Classes
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2007-10-16, 09:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Bluff: Masterwork aviators. The very dark, often reflective surface of the lenses hide your eyes, making it much more difficult to get a read on you. Why do you think poker players wear shades all the time?
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2007-10-16, 09:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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A couple of suggestions, divided into 2 categories:)
o Jump: A pole for vaulting would probably be more than +2
o Knowledge: A complete library, noone said masterwork tools need to be portable.
o Sleight Of Hand: In 2E thiefs handbook you had razor rings - a ring with a concealed blade you could use for cutpursing :)
o Disable Device: A REALLY big hammer :D
o Speak Language: A babelfish ;)
o Spot: Rear view mirror against ambushes?
o Survival: Lunch box
o Use Magic Device: Universal remote :)
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2007-10-16, 09:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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AnE Guide had the bladed rings for sleight of hand.
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2007-10-16, 10:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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A few of these are already specified. It's interesting to note where they deviate from the 50gp standard.
Appraise: merchant's scale (limited to weighed items, though, and much cheaper because of this). Magnifying glass for the items you'd expect, priced at 100gp though it does have other uses.
Climb: climber's kit. 80gp rather than 50gp, for some reason.
Craft (alchemy): alchemist's lab (500gp!).
Disguise: disguise kit. Priced appropriately, but of limited uses.
Heal: healer's kit. Priced appropriately, but of limited uses.
Perform: instrument (100gp - why so pricey?).
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2007-10-16, 10:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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I used to play a mage in a campaign that had a 24 volume encyclopedia set that we used as a master work knowledge tool. It was kept in a chest that my ogre slave carried on his back.
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2007-10-16, 10:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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2007-10-16, 10:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Bluff: Masterwork sunglasses. (Poker players use this all the time).
Diplomacy: Princess Fringle's Guide to Etiquette.
Survival: MW Swiss Army Dagger.
Gather Information: Masterwork Towel. People will be much more willing to give you helpful advice if you have a towel.
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2007-10-16, 11:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Uuh... You know, there's nothing that says every skill has appropriate tools. And it outright says not ever tool has an appropriate skill. (i.e. "...on the related check (if any).
Doesn't help much when forging documents made with different, particularly opaque papers. Which, I assume would be the case with any official documents at risk for forgery.The Future just ain’t what it used to be.
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2007-10-16, 11:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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You copy a piece of paper onto the vellum. Then you stick the vellum over the right kind of paper, and flip it up, to compare your work on the opaque paper to a reference copy.
Though since forgery is opposed by forgery, and nobody takes forgery, the enterprising high level forger just needs some bar napkins and crayons to forge official documents that are believable.
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2007-10-16, 11:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think instruments are more expensive because they are used for the Bard abilities.
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2007-10-16, 11:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Just get that listening cone thing and shout through it like a megaphone. Or for oratory, get a soapbox.
And in Eberron, try to convince the DM that the party's artificer can make you a microphone powered by lightning spells. Carrying the amp and speakers around could be tricky. I suggest you play a warforged bard and have the speakers built into your chest.If a tree falls in the forest and the PCs aren't around to hear it... what do I roll to see how loud it is?
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2007-10-16, 12:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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I thought knowledge checks were a free action?
You might have noted from some of the tools I listed that my initial post wasn't fully serious.
Perhaps they're 50 gp for the regular instrument, and 50 gp for the masterworkness?Last edited by Kurald Galain; 2007-10-16 at 12:18 PM.
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2007-10-16, 12:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, for perform(song), how about a masterwork song (in sheet music)? How else does a bard inspire his allies to greater physical heights without sheet music for Eye of the Tiger?
Perform(oratory) is a bit tricky. Hmm, maybe a masterwork podium, or something? Or maybe masterwoork debater's clothes? I know that some of the greatest orators ever wouldn't have been nearly as persuasive dressed in rags.
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2007-10-16, 12:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Masterwork PowerPoint presentation, maybe?
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