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2024-02-19, 04:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
This has been eating away at me for years. Rich correctly draws Allosaurus with a tall, narrow allosauroid skull rather than the wide, robust tyrannosaurid skull, but to my horror he gives it two-fingered T. rex hands rather than the correct three-fingered hands found in Allosaurus. I was hoping that when Bloodfeast finally returned to his Allosaurus form in the new art style he would have the correct number of fingers, but today Rich cruelly dashed my hopes against the rocks of grim reality. The only question is: why?
Are these creatures some sort of owlbear-esque hybrid of Tyrannosaurus and Allosaurus created by a wizard? Did Tarquin mutilate the poor animals because he thought the two fingers were more iconic? Or did Rich do this just to hurt me?
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2024-02-19, 04:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
If 3 OotS humanoid fingers = 5 real-world humanoid fingers,
then 2 OotS allosaur fingers = 3 real-world allosaur fingers
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2024-02-19, 04:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
Roy makes a point of calling out that the Empire of Blood uses a Brontosaurus, which was not recognized as a valid taxon at the time, so to some extent the dinosaurs in OOTS are meant to be somewhat anachronistic or inaccurate. They're dinosaurs as depicted in a tabletop monster manual supplement, essentially.
So I just assumed that either the two fingered allosaur was deliberately incorrect, or Rich just drew it from memory and didn't check because getting details wrong didn't actually matter.Last edited by Errorname; 2024-02-19 at 04:55 PM.
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2024-02-19, 05:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
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2024-02-19, 08:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-02-19, 10:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
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2024-02-19, 10:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
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2024-02-19, 11:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-02-19, 11:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-02-20, 05:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2024-02-20, 08:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
Naturally. Guess which one!
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2024-02-20, 11:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2024-02-20, 12:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-02-20, 01:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
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2024-02-20, 05:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
I don't think Rich really know the difference.
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2024-02-20, 06:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-02-20, 08:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
forget about his little arms with cute little hands. I am trying to figure out what size Bloodfeast was?
thinking 🤔 💭 in Pathfinder T-Rex is Gargantuan, but in 3.5 it is Huge. And in PF the animal companion form of a T-Rex is Large or Medium depending on the level. Wait Bloodfeast is an Allosaurus *me throws up my books and dice into the air giving up*
P.S. I know OOTS is 3.5 ish, emphasis on the ish part. That’s the joke 🙃Stupendous Man drawn by Linklele
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2024-02-20, 08:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
I believe you mean "why do T. Rexes have Bloodfeast hands?"
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2024-02-20, 08:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
Bloodfeast's way too large for an Allosaurus - really, he's larger than even a T-Rex ought to be. Put it in the realm of artistic licence (and general-purpose D&D dinosaurs being kickass monsters first and genuine representations of extinct creatures a distant second).
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2024-02-20, 08:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
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2024-02-20, 09:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
Yeah, as mentioned it's not common for dinosaurs in tabletop games to be proper paleoart quality, and the dinosaurs in OOTS are clearly deliberately dated in ways which reflect that like with the featherless raptors and the Brontosaurus. I don't know if the two fingers is intentionally inaccurate, but it doesn't really matter, it fits the intended vibe well enough.
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2024-02-21, 08:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
How do we know it is an alosaurus or a T Rex ? Or another sort of dinosaure ?
We are in a DnD setting. There are statted dinosaures in the different MM but I don't have anyone of them to check and the SRD didn't answer my querry.
So how do we know which kind of dinosaure is bloodfeast ?
Edit: I am not speaking to the 3rd era nerds but to the DD nerds.Last edited by Timy; 2024-02-21 at 08:04 AM.
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2024-02-21, 09:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
Back when the first AD&D Monster Manual came out, Allosaurus and T.Rex were thought to be the same creature evolving from an earlier stage to a more modern one, and T.Rex walked upright. It was in the decade after that that it was first proposed they were not slow-moving reptiles which survived by scavenging, but fast running carnivores which had many qualities we now associate with birds.
But Monster Manual dinosaurs are fun, and not meant to be realistic.
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2024-02-21, 10:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2024-02-21, 12:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
I mean, if you want to be picky, Real WorldTM T-Rex had four-foot-long jaws. Bloodfeast the Extreme-inator's appear to be around 10-12 feet long (assuming Roy is roughly 6 feet tall). So Tarquin's allosaurus breeding program obviously grows them big.
Last edited by Lord Torath; 2024-02-21 at 01:36 PM. Reason: Misspelled "Extreme-inator"
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2024-02-21, 12:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
The Dinosaur renaissance started in the late 1960s, 1964 was when Deinonychus was described and really kicked things into gear, and while at the time Tyrannosaurus and Allosaurus were thought to be more closely related than they are, they were still recognized as distinct taxa and the relevant detail of 'how many fingers' was known for both animals.
Either way, OOTS is meant to be 3.5e, so a post-Dinosaur Renaissance and post-Jurassic Park model of pop culture dinosaurs is appropriate.
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2024-02-21, 01:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
But.....
What is this "paleontology" you are speaking about? Here in the western continent, we never heard of that. Just as we never heard of a country called "Japan".
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2024-02-22, 02:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
Dinosaurs typically have two temporal fenestrae on either side of the skull (so four in total).
In real life at least, the two fingers of T. rex are equivalent to our thumb and pointer finger (probably—there's a complicated scientific debate involving finger identity in meat-eating dinosaurs), so in all likelihood that wouldn't be possible. In OotSverse, of course, all bets are off.Last edited by albertonykus; 2024-02-22 at 02:33 AM.
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2024-02-23, 01:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why does Bloodfeast have T. rex hands??
For the same reason Goblins are 6' tall. The current world (as with all the previous worlds) was built by a committee of bickering gods. Somebody decided that Allosaurs should have 10-foot jaws and 2-fingered hands. Why? Same reason there are ninjas and samurai and dirigibles, all in the same generally-medieval setting.
That's the Watsonian reason, anyway. What Doylist explanation there might be is purely something the Giant did as an artistic choice, and since I have no clue what might have influenced it, I'm not going to eat up page space guessing....
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2024-02-23, 02:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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