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[Ramza00]

Borrowing other people’s words.

Spoiler: Zemo's Plan

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1. Blame the Avengers for my family's death even though Ultron killed them.

2. Decrypt millions(?) of Black Widow's SHIELD/HYDRA files to find out the identity of the Winter Soldier and the identity of his former handler.

3. Find the handler and hit his car. Hopefully, he answers the door at a creepy, secluded safe house.

4. Find the Winter Soldier's activation codes (hopefully in a cool-looking book). Learn how to use the codes myself -- I can do that, right?

5. Ask for "Mission Report: December 16, 1991", implying that I already know what happened. Whatever. If HYDRA guy doesn't answer, drown him.

6. Hopefully, around this time, what happened in Sokovia will cause the government to press for superhero regulation, creating a rift between Captain America and Iron Man and an opportunity for me to frame Bucky for something and make them super duper mad at each other. That's bound to happen, right?

7. Obtain a Bucky Barnes mask and wig (Halloween store?).

8. Bomb the signing of the new regulations (Sokovia Accords has a nice ring to it). Scowl for the cameras.

9. Hope that Captain America sides with Winter Soldier and Iron Man sides against them. If these two aren't fighting, I just bombed a building for no reason.

10. Build a homemade EMP device -- I can do that, right?

11. Wait for Bucky to get captured by Tony Stark's forces. If he escapes or is killed, or anyone else captures him, this plan is worthless.

12. Intercept, kill, and impersonate the psychiatrist brought in to analyze Bucky. Don't worry -- I'll know exactly who he is and when he will arrive, but no one else will even know what he looks like.

13. Infiltrate Stark's insanely high-security government facility and gain unfettered access to the Winter Soldier. This facility will likely be guarded with maximum security, but I must be left ALONE with no one else in earshot or physical proximity. NO GUARDS!!

14. Arrange for my homemade EMP to be delivered precisely when I'm interviewing the Winter Soldier. If the package is late or gets inspected, this plan is worthless.

15. Activate the EMP and knock out power to the facility.

16. Use code words to activate the Winter Soldier. Fingers crossed they still work!

17. Ask Winter Soldier for "Mission Report: December 16, 1991". Again, I only need this specific report, which means I definitely probably already know what happened. I really hope Bucky killed Iron Man's parents, or this plan is worthless.

18. Have Winter Soldier fight the Avengers to cover my escape. Hopefully, he doesn't kill Cap or Iron Man. Also, if I'm caught, this plan is worthless.

19. Hopefully Captain America and Iron Man begin to disagree so much, they activate every other superhero to choose one side or the other, prompting a CIVIL WAR. But if either Cap or Iron Man is captured or killed, this plan is worthless.

20. Fly to Russia, call the room service lady so they can discover the psychiatrist's body, exposing my true identity and tipping off Iron Man, who will definitely get what's happening and then fly to Siberia ALONE to assist Captain America and Bucky, WHO HAVE ALSO TRAVELED ALONE so I can turn them against each other and they'll fight. If this doesn't happen exactly like that, this plan is worthless.

21. Kill the other frozen Winter Soldiers and wait for Cap and Iron Man to arrive. Listen to my dead wife's voicemail to pass the time.

22. Reveal to Iron Man that Bucky killed his parents -- maybe there's a VHS tape or other convenient evidence? Like a security camera on a desolate forest road? It's a long shot, but hopefully there are multiple angles to see exactly what's happening.

23. Leave Iron Man, Cap, and Bucky to fight it out! Yes! I've defeated the Avengers! (If there's no winner, or they come to some kind of understanding -- this plan is worthless.)

24. Delete dead wife's voicemail. Kill myself. Hopefully, no one stops me.

I did not like Civil War. 30% of the movie is great though, when it is not the plan, civil war, Captain, Bucky, Tony, etc.

[Draconi Redfir]

if you haven't already, highly recommend Nando V Movies on Civil War (There are two others, but this one is most relevant to this specific topic).

Among other things, he suggests a few changes that could have made it a better movie, such as having the airport fight take place in New York, making Spider-man have a more organic reason to join in.

[Mordar]

In the books, the Scrulls are the bad guys.
In the books, Nick Fury is white.
In the books, Peter made his own costume.
In the books, The Mandalorian is a real thing
In the books, Mutants exist.
In the books, Stormbreaker was a hammer owned by someone who wasn't Thor
In the books, Thanos is in love with the literal embodiment of Death
In the books, Thanos' "hal of all life" plan wasn't to bring balance, it was to impress Death.
In the books, Wanda and Pietro are the children of Magnito

a LOT of things are different from the books. i think it's abundantly clear at this point that the MCU is not a 1:1 translation of the comics.

In the books Thor is an Asgardian, Dr. Strange is the Sorcerer Supreme, Tony Stark is the original Iron Man, Steve Rogers was given the SSS, SHIELD is (was) run by Nick Fury (who, in some of the books was black and looked suspiciously like SLJ well before the first Iron Man movie)...so it is also abundantly clear that the MCU draws heavily from the comics.

I believe it is reasonable to use the book versions as the basis for guesses, just like it is reasonable for the MCU creatives to use things not in the books/differently than in the books.

Hence my "suggests" as opposed to "undeniably means" a force behind AH.

And the Skrulls will totally still be bad guys. At least a lot/most of them.

Nope, mistake on my part sorry. didn't fully know the guy's name i guess.

Then it is a really good mistake. Hawthorne's ancestor (couple greats-grandfather?) was a judge at the Salem witch trials, and Hawthorne wrote some stories which might fit in well with Wanda's feelings at the moment. Now I totally want Hayward to be tied to that history as opposed to being the obligatory white guy who mismanages everyone and tries to blow everything up as an object lesson.

- M

[Kareeah_Indaga]

The only major thing i can think of Zemo doing is revealing to Tony that Bucky killed his parents, which I'm sure could have been done even without Zemo.

Zemo did kill a lot of people to get everyone’s attention first. If left to his own devices, Bucky probably would have stayed hidden indefinitely.

Borrowing other people’s words.

Spoiler: Zemo's Plan

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1. Blame the Avengers for my family's death even though Ultron killed them.

2. Decrypt millions(?) of Black Widow's SHIELD/HYDRA files to find out the identity of the Winter Soldier and the identity of his former handler.

3. Find the handler and hit his car. Hopefully, he answers the door at a creepy, secluded safe house.

4. Find the Winter Soldier's activation codes (hopefully in a cool-looking book). Learn how to use the codes myself -- I can do that, right?

5. Ask for "Mission Report: December 16, 1991", implying that I already know what happened. Whatever. If HYDRA guy doesn't answer, drown him.

6. Hopefully, around this time, what happened in Sokovia will cause the government to press for superhero regulation, creating a rift between Captain America and Iron Man and an opportunity for me to frame Bucky for something and make them super duper mad at each other. That's bound to happen, right?

7. Obtain a Bucky Barnes mask and wig (Halloween store?).

8. Bomb the signing of the new regulations (Sokovia Accords has a nice ring to it). Scowl for the cameras.

9. Hope that Captain America sides with Winter Soldier and Iron Man sides against them. If these two aren't fighting, I just bombed a building for no reason.

10. Build a homemade EMP device -- I can do that, right?

11. Wait for Bucky to get captured by Tony Stark's forces. If he escapes or is killed, or anyone else captures him, this plan is worthless.

12. Intercept, kill, and impersonate the psychiatrist brought in to analyze Bucky. Don't worry -- I'll know exactly who he is and when he will arrive, but no one else will even know what he looks like.

13. Infiltrate Stark's insanely high-security government facility and gain unfettered access to the Winter Soldier. This facility will likely be guarded with maximum security, but I must be left ALONE with no one else in earshot or physical proximity. NO GUARDS!!

14. Arrange for my homemade EMP to be delivered precisely when I'm interviewing the Winter Soldier. If the package is late or gets inspected, this plan is worthless.

15. Activate the EMP and knock out power to the facility.

16. Use code words to activate the Winter Soldier. Fingers crossed they still work!

17. Ask Winter Soldier for "Mission Report: December 16, 1991". Again, I only need this specific report, which means I definitely probably already know what happened. I really hope Bucky killed Iron Man's parents, or this plan is worthless.

18. Have Winter Soldier fight the Avengers to cover my escape. Hopefully, he doesn't kill Cap or Iron Man. Also, if I'm caught, this plan is worthless.

19. Hopefully Captain America and Iron Man begin to disagree so much, they activate every other superhero to choose one side or the other, prompting a CIVIL WAR. But if either Cap or Iron Man is captured or killed, this plan is worthless.

20. Fly to Russia, call the room service lady so they can discover the psychiatrist's body, exposing my true identity and tipping off Iron Man, who will definitely get what's happening and then fly to Siberia ALONE to assist Captain America and Bucky, WHO HAVE ALSO TRAVELED ALONE so I can turn them against each other and they'll fight. If this doesn't happen exactly like that, this plan is worthless.

21. Kill the other frozen Winter Soldiers and wait for Cap and Iron Man to arrive. Listen to my dead wife's voicemail to pass the time.

22. Reveal to Iron Man that Bucky killed his parents -- maybe there's a VHS tape or other convenient evidence? Like a security camera on a desolate forest road? It's a long shot, but hopefully there are multiple angles to see exactly what's happening.

23. Leave Iron Man, Cap, and Bucky to fight it out! Yes! I've defeated the Avengers! (If there's no winner, or they come to some kind of understanding -- this plan is worthless.)

24. Delete dead wife's voicemail. Kill myself. Hopefully, no one stops me.

I did not like Civil War. 30% of the movie is great though, when it is not the plan, civil war, Captain, Bucky, Tony, etc.

I want to argue that it wasn’t that bad...but honestly I had trouble following it the first time I’d seen it and it still isn’t one of my favorites.

[Psyren]

Instead shares a Chris Claremont thought from 8 days ago, since it sparks joy. Warning it has spoilers if you are not familiar with the comics.

https://m.facebook.com/chris.claremo...24407769522723

Very nice to get his perspective

Really? Because i didnt find Zemo to be particularly interesting or sympathetic at all. He exists to give Cap and Tony an excuse to fight, but the seeds of that particular conflict have been building since the first Avengers movie. Heck, the movie didnt even really need a villain, they could easily have been fighting over Bucky and Wanda without any sort of outside prompting.

Are you kidding? Zemo is fantastic. He has one of the best villainous motivations in the MCU, and he delivers it in a single line:

"When the screaming stopped, it took me two days until I found their bodies. My father, still holding my wife and son in his arms. And the Avengers? They went home."

That's all you need to justify why he went as far against them as he did. The mere fact that they're bringing him back when it would have been just as easy to toss him out, shows that he resonated with audiences.

I'm with Keltest on this one, Zemo kinda felt like he just didn't belong in the movie. 90% of the plot was either about the Accords and/or a runaway Bucky anyways. The only major thing i can think of Zemo doing is revealing to Tony that Bucky killed his parents, which I'm sure could have been done even without Zemo. Maybe during the airport fight, Bucky's arm gets damaged or something and some kind of residual mental-programing compels him to go to some location to get it fixed, the location is abandoned, but contains all sorts of information on the Winter Soldier's past attacks, including the Starks. Or just don't reveal that information at all, that'd work too.

He did far more than that. He bombed the Accords summit in Vienna and framed it on the Winter Soldier, while also uncovering Bucky's trigger phrase from his former HYDRA handlers so that Bucky would be activated and thus unable to defend himself from the appearance of guilt. Which of course directly led to the schism between Bucky's childhood friend who opposed the Accords, and his chief colleague who felt they were needed. Bucky's personal relationship to Tony's family was just icing on the cake. Never mind that his bombing also directly set the events of Black Panther in motion. "Only major thing," really?

[BRC]

I'd say Zemo is what makes Civil War work.

The Civil War comics event is really kind of dumb for a lot of reasons (Not as dumb as Civil War II, but whatever), the main one being that these are Superheroes, and it's kind of dumb for them to come to literal blows over this. The only way to really justify it is to make one side ridiculously evil, such that the other side isn't being unreasonable when it comes to choosing to fight against their friends/allies/fellow Heroes.


Zemo makes civil War Work because it's not really about the Sokovia Accords. Sure, Cap doesn't like the idea of being ordered around (He's got trust issues after SHIELD), and Tony doesn't like the idea of being unaccountable (He's got self-trust issues after Sokovia), and they ARGUE about that, but they don't come to blows over it.


First, Bucky. Cap doesn't want Bucky to be punished for things he was literally mind controlled into doing, Tony doesn't think it's up to Cap to decide who does or does not get to avoid justice for their actions. While it's basically the same disagreement as before, the conflict works because it's personal for Cap. Accepting Tony's viewpoint means handing Bucky over to whichever shady SHIELD successor can get their hands on him.

Later, Cap and Bucky think that they need to stop Zemo from activating a squad of Hydra SuperSoldiers. Tony thinks this is just about Cap trying to protect his best friend. Airport Fight ensues. Each side is given good reason to think that fighting the other is justified and necessary.

Finally, the Bunker Brawl, once again, is personal.

All this works because of Zemo. A comic-book style disagreement doesn't give the Hero vs Hero action we want without making one or both sides look either petulant or evil.

[Ramza00]

So we agree. Zemo makes Civil War work, and for the people Civil War does not work with, Zemo is the Uncanny Valley effect that is trying to make Civil War work but fails in doing so. It is asking too much of the viewer, and the viewer sees this as failure, they reject the narrative for it feels too forced.

Spoiler: Image

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Zemo is the glue which holds Civil War together, the thing that triggers the leap of faith. And in some people he helps surmount the uncanny valley gap to the other side. And with others it comes close, but fails, and people were like why make Civil War at all, or if you make Civil War make it better for I do not find it satisfactory.

The glue succeeded with some people, and failed catastrophically with others, for perception, experience, and phenomenology (philosophy about the study of appearance and experience from a first person point of view) is a subjective thing.

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It is like Indiana Jones 4 where a character in front of a green screen swings on vines like Tarzan, with monkeys following him, while catching up with a car in a jungle car chase. This is the uncanny valley, a failure of storytelling.

(Which succeeds for some people)

[Rodin]

So we agree. Zemo makes Civil War work, and for the people Civil War does not work with, Zemo is the Uncanny Valley effect that is trying to make Civil War work but fails in doing so. It is asking too much of the viewer, and the viewer sees this as failure, they reject the narrative for it feels too forced.

Spoiler: Image

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Zemo is the glue which holds Civil War together, the thing that triggers the leap of faith. And in some people he helps surmount the uncanny valley gap to the other side. And with others it comes close, but fails, and people were like why make Civil War at all, or if you make Civil War make it better for I do not find it satisfactory.

The glue succeeded with some people, and failed catastrophically with others, for perception, experience, and phenomenology (philosophy about the study of appearance and experience from a first person point of view) is a subjective thing.

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It is like Indiana Jones 4 where a character in front of a green screen swings on vines like Tarzan, with monkeys following him, while catching up with a car in a jungle car chase. This is the uncanny valley, a failure of storytelling.

(Which succeeds for some people)

...So you're saying it caused a CIVIL WAR among the fans?

*gets pelted with rotten fruit*

[Psyren]

The glue succeeded with some people, and failed catastrophically with others, for perception, experience, and phenomenology (philosophy about the study of appearance and experience from a first person point of view) is a subjective thing.

Sure, and the same can be said of every single other decision in the franchise, from casting to story to adaptation changes etc.

But one thing is factual, and that is that they are bringing Zemo back (portrayed by the same actor, Daniel Brühl) - which gives us the best possible insight into how the majority of the fanbase received him, i.e. positively. I don't expect consensus around anything related to Marvel.

[Palanan]

Originally Posted by Ramza00
Zemo makes Civil War work, and for the people Civil War does not work with, Zemo is the Uncanny Valley effect that is trying to make Civil War work but fails in doing so.

Not really, at least not for me.

I enjoyed Civil War, and liked Zemo well enough as a villain. But the final fight between Cap and Tony felt extremely contrived—mainly because it’s all too convenient that Bucky, of all possible Soviet operatives, is the one who killed the Starks, and even more convenient that Tony would completely lose it when he learns this.

Now, I can enjoy the movie just fine, but the overwhelming convenience keeps me from completely buying the final fight. For this issue, Zemo is here nor there; it’s the highly contrived intersection of Cap’s best friend and Tony’s parents that ruins the suspension of disbelief for me.

That said, I still enjoy the movie overall. I’ve always enjoyed super-teams fighting each other in the comics (X-Men vs. Brotherhood, etc.) and it was fun to see at least an echo of that on the big screen.

As for bringing Zemo back, I don’t know if that necessarily says anything about the proportion of fans who liked him in Civil War. He’s an established villain who fits the story they want to tell for Falcon & Winter Soldier, and they may simply have seen him as a safe bet that provides continuity with the MCU. If he makes it through all of FWS, I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up in the Wakanda series as well, since he has personal reasons to dislike Black Panther along with the Avengers.

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[Psyren]

He does? He seemed pretty regretful about killing T'Challa's father. And BP was nowhere near Sokovia, nor did he have anything to do with Ultron.

[Keltest]

He does? He seemed pretty regretful about killing T'Challa's father. And BP was nowhere near Sokovia, nor did he have anything to do with Ultron.

Maybe, but BP probably wants his head on a pike now, so that seems unlikely to foster a good relationship.

[Kareeah_Indaga]

Maybe, but BP probably wants his head on a pike now, so that seems unlikely to foster a good relationship.

Black Panther specifically stopped him from killing himself and had a lovely speech on exactly that subject...though I acknowledge whoever replaces T’Challa may feel differently.

[Draconi Redfir]

getting a new black panther is going to be difficult in-universe. if i recall correctly, the fruit that gave Plack Panther his powers was made extinct by fire.

[Wookieetank]

getting a new black panther is going to be difficult in-universe. if i recall correctly, the fruit that gave Plack Panther his powers was made extinct by fire.

There was the one that was saved to give Black Panther his powers back, I'd put money on it having seeds as well.

[GloatingSwine]

getting a new black panther is going to be difficult in-universe. if i recall correctly, the fruit that gave Plack Panther his powers was made extinct by fire.

I expect they'll go with Shuri, since she's taken over in the comics before. If anyone can replicate the heart shaped herb, it's her.

[Draconi Redfir]

There was the one that was saved to give Black Panther his powers back, I'd put money on it having seeds as well.

i mean maybe? that thing was eaten by T'challa though. might be a bit of a mess to get them.

[Mordar]

I expect they'll go with Shuri, since she's taken over in the comics before. If anyone can replicate the heart shaped herb, it's her.

I sooooooooo hope this isn't the case. It should be Okoye! Okoye is far more dedicated to the land, the people, the spirit of Wakanda.

Shuri is the somewhat spoiled, irreverent genius...sure, they could do a whole redemption/reconciliation story just like Thor...but better to just have the woman who totally fits the role fit the role.

- M

[Palanan]

Originally Posted by Mordar
Shuri is the somewhat spoiled, irreverent genius….

Completely agreed.

Originally Posted by Mordar
It should be Okoye! Okoye is far more dedicated to the land, the people, the spirit of Wakanda.

But Okoye is also dedicated to her specific role in Wakanda, and she’s enough of a traditionalist that she may not want to be the one to combine two institutions (Dora Milaje and Black Panther) which until now have always been separate.

As someone who feels that M’Baku is the real hero of the movie, he gets my vote. But Nakia actually makes the most sense in terms of a successor, since she’s either queen outright or all-but-in-name. Depending how succession works in Wakanda, the queen might be the one to take over if the king had no children at the time of his death.

Plus, Nakia has had extensive field experience outside Wakanda, and she has the real passion for bringing Wakanda into contact with the rest of the world. She’s probably the best person to both lead and protect the nation.

[Wookieetank]

i mean maybe? that thing was eaten by T'challa though. might be a bit of a mess to get them.

They were carrying it about in a pouch prior to it being nommed, so if some were to fall off the plant in the pouch while hiking up a mountain, it'd make for an easy handwave to have the plant back. Marvel may very go in a completely different direction, that's just my theory on it.

[Talakeal]

I expect they'll go with Shuri, since she's taken over in the comics before. If anyone can replicate the heart shaped herb, it's her.

I would love to see this, but I don’t think its in the cards. Everything I have heard indicates that Winston Duke will be the new Black Panther and Shuri will have a greatly reduced roll, if she is in the movie at all, due to her actresses’ political beliefs.

[Mordar]

Plus, Nakia has had extensive field experience outside Wakanda, and she has the real passion for bringing Wakanda into contact with the rest of the world. She’s probably the best person to both lead and protect the nation.

She is the likely choice and appropriate compromise...Okoye still is the better pick for the Defender of Wakanda role, but isn't an outward-facing emissary.

- M

[Kitten Champion]

Hmm...

Shuri would be in her twenties now, and spent much of the last decade of her life in a period of upheaval and turmoil. The idea that she'd be essentially the same as she was during Black Panther and Infinity War doesn't seem very likely.

Personally, I'd like to see a story about challenging the conservative power structure of Wakanda as a natural continuation of the events of Black Panther. As in, Wakandan society is moving away from extreme isolationism to participate in the world that in turn some of the ideas from the rest of the world would be reflected back at it creating more layers of complexity and conflict in their society. Who gets to be Black Panther and more importantly what that role even means going forward would be the question explored in the narrative itself.

[Mordar]

Hmm...

Shuri would be in her twenties now, and spent much of the last decade of her life in a period of upheaval and turmoil. The idea that she'd be essentially the same as she was during Black Panther and Infinity War doesn't seem very likely.

Personally, I'd like to see a story about challenging the conservative power structure of Wakanda as a natural continuation of the events of Black Panther. As in, Wakandan society is moving away from extreme isolationism to participate in the world that in turn some of the ideas from the rest of the world would be reflected back at it creating more layers of complexity and conflict in their society. Who gets to be Black Panther and more importantly what that role even means going forward would be the question explored in the narrative itself.

Just like KatDarcy isn't contrived to be still the exact same personality she used to be, with layered on technobabble and accompanying stretch-skills...and like they wouldn't play the character exactly as irreverently as Shuri was when she won the hearts and minds of many fans in BP?

I'd buy/pay for Shuri as Iron Man, but not as Black Panther.

And as much as I want the new Panther to be Okoye, I see why she's not right either. Shuri is fire, Okoye is ice...T'Challa and Nakia were always a balance between the two, and that is what Wakanda needs as a leader, and what Black Panther should be.

- M

[Kitten Champion]

Just like KatDarcy isn't contrived to be still the exact same personality she used to be, with layered on technobabble and accompanying stretch-skills...and like they wouldn't play the character exactly as irreverently as Shuri was when she won the hearts and minds of many fans in BP?

Darcy Lewis is a comic relief side-character - from the beginning - brought in expressly for exposition and deliver some jokes, expecting deep character development from her would mean they've got considerably misplaced priorities for what WandaVision should be about.

Shuri though? Her role would meaningfully change from supporting cast to main character, within what's the most dramatically focused sub-franchise in the whole MCU and one of the more culturally influential movies of the last decade. That should put substantially more weight into considering her character and its development than Darcy Lewis, yes.

As to audiences liking her character the way it is, well, you kind of have to adapt to the fact that you no longer have a star for her to be a supporting character to. That's not something you can just shrug off.

[GloatingSwine]

I'd buy/pay for Shuri as Iron Man, but not as Black Panther.

Dominique Thorne is going to be playing Riri Williams/Ironheart.

Shuri has already been the Black Panther in the comics, and being more tech focused means she can have a unique style, using more of her inventions alongside the Panther's boosted physical abilities (as she does in the comics).

[Cikomyr2]

I say they just roll with the powers being fully extinct on earth. And they have to go on a space quest to find the origin of the Vibranium meteorite and maybe another strand of the same plant somewhere.

[Psyren]

Maybe, but BP probably wants his head on a pike now, so that seems unlikely to foster a good relationship.

He doesn't, they settled that thread conclusively in Civil War.

I expect they'll go with Shuri, since she's taken over in the comics before. If anyone can replicate the heart shaped herb, it's her.

In the comics maybe. In the MCU... I won't comment on current events, but she might end up a controversial choice for such a prominent role, so I find it unlikely.

Nakia, M'Baku, and Okoye are all solid choices for the mantle.

[Mordar]

Dominique Thorne is going to be playing Riri Williams/Ironheart.

I was too brief in my comment - I'd buy Shuri as a gadgeteer in a similar vein to Iron Man but with Shuri-flair, but not as an Ironheart swap.

- M

[Palanan]

Originally Posted by Talakeal
Everything I have heard indicates that Winston Duke will be the new Black Panther and Shuri will have a greatly reduced [role]....

Interesting, because from what I've seen, the general consensus is that Shuri is the most likely successor.

Not my own choice by a long shot, just the overall trend of what I found.

Originally Posted by Kitten Champion
As to audiences liking her character the way it is, well, you kind of have to adapt to the fact that you no longer have a star for her to be a supporting character to. That's not something you can just shrug off.

She can just as easily be a supporting character for Nakia or Okoye, or even M'Baku. That last would be quite a rocky relationship, given his earlier attitude towards her, but that could make for some interesting development for the both of them.

Originally Posted by Draconi Redfir
if i recall correctly, the fruit that gave [B]lack Panther his powers was made extinct by fire.

Almost certainly there's a wild population somewhere in Wakanda. It's possible that the sacred garden which was burned had cultivars of the herb, which were bred for a greater concentration of its natural properties. Finding the wild population and infusing it with vibranium sounds like something Shuri and several others could do together.

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