OOTS #1242 - The Discussion Thread

[Yuki Akuma]

One quibble I haven't seen brought up. Elves are typically immune to sleep effects so unless that's been waived I suspect the poison causes "unconscious" or something similar but distinct from "sleep". That might change what it takes to undo the condition.

The only poison effect in the Rules As Written that knocks people out (and isn't just tons of mental ability score damage) is explicitly "Unconsciousness" rather than "Sleep" so that elves aren't immune to it - considering the primary poison that does that is Drow poison, and they like to use it on above-ground elves.

That's... debatable? All drive to do something are fueled by emotions who may in turn be triggered by one's moral compass. Given that Belkar is now indifferent to his own survival I'm not as sure as you are that Roy would still be willing to fight unless prompted as Belkar is now.

Calm Emotions explicitly allows affected creatures to defend themselves, so it definitely doesn't suppress survival instinct.

[bunsen_h]

Remove Fear might have done the trick, but we would have missed out on apathetic Belkar. And apathetic Belkar is hilarious

As always when second-guessing casters, it comes down to what spells they have prepared. Calm Emotions does strike me as a somewhat odd thing to have prepared for the situations the Order might expect from their plans for the day, though.

[danielxcutter]

Hmm, Xykon's technically got a fear aura but I don't think even Minrah's low-leveled enough to worry about it.

[factotum]

As always when second-guessing casters, it comes down to what spells they have prepared. Calm Emotions does strike me as a somewhat odd thing to have prepared for the situations the Order might expect from their plans for the day, though.

They were expecting to come up against Redcloak, and having the spell available in case he started getting annoyed probably didn't seem like a terrible idea--she just never got a chance to use it. Don't forget that Durkon and Minrah had very different plans at the start of this day than the rest of the Order did.

[Peelee]

Song of Freedom's essentially useless in combat, since it takes 10 rounds ("Using this ability requires 1 minute of uninterrupted concentration and music,"
https://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/bard.htm ).

Counterpoint.

[Yuki Akuma]

Counterpoint.

That didn't happen in combat.

[Peelee]

That didn't happen in combat.

Fair. The implication I got was that it was a standard action, just the wire "freedom" (as Holy Word, for example), but I'll cop to there being nothing to really indicate that otherwise.

[JonahFalcon]

"No, get away! You're in league with the cat!"

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All anyone needs to do to get Belkar back to his old self is to smack him over the head and say, "Okay, you're fine now."

[Living Oxymoron]

Judging by how the Exarch Hammerfell (a vampire at the time) was affected by the little Bloodfeast's bite, I take that now Minrah is closer to die.

[JonahFalcon]

Judging by how the Exarch Hammerfell (a vampire at the time) was affected by the little Bloodfeast's bite, I take that now Minrah is closer to die.

Who says Bloodfeast bit her with full force?

[Zonkerbl]

Charming as this Rube Goldberg of teamwork riff is, doesn't each action take up time? How much time do they have?

[Peelee]

Charming as this Rube Goldberg of teamwork riff is, doesn't each action take up time? How much time do they have?

Round 1:
Bloodfeast attacks Minrah.
Minrah casts on Belkar.
Belkar Aid Anothers Elan.
Round 2

... ish.

[JonahFalcon]

Round 1:
Bloodfeast attacks Minrah.
Minrah casts on Belkar.
Belkar Aid Anothers Elan.
Round 2

... ish.

It goes at the speed of Plot.

[Kilo24]

Fair. The implication I got was that it was a standard action, just the wire "freedom" (as Holy Word, for example), but I'll cop to there being nothing to really indicate that otherwise.

If you didn't know that country music can stretch out saying the word "FREEDOM!" to a full minute, you obviously haven't listened to much country music.

[Doug Lampert]

If you didn't know that country music can stretch out saying the word "FREEDOM!" to a full minute, you obviously haven't listened to much country music.

I was too busy worrying about my mother getting hit by the train while coming home from the liquor store after she got out of prison and the fact that my self-driving pickup truck just drove off with my dog and left me.

[Peelee]

If you didn't know that country music can stretch out saying the word "FREEDOM!" to a full minute, you obviously haven't listened to much country music.

[looks at my own location tag]

....sure you wanna go with that claim?

I've listened to both kinds of music, country and western!

[KorvinStarmast]

I was too busy worrying about my mother getting hit by the train while coming home from the liquor store after she got out of prison and the fact that my self-driving pickup truck just drove off with my dog and left me.

Steve Goodman would like a quiet word ... can you cast the speak with dead spell?

[Kilo24]

[looks at my own location tag]

....sure you wanna go with that claim?

I've listened to both kinds of music, country and western!

Well, clearly not enough country music. After all, country music has a lot to say about America.

...not much actual variety of things to say, mind you, but that never stopped it.

[KorvinStarmast]

After all, country music has a lot to say about America.

I prefer Western; Bob Wills is still the king.

[Psychronia]

Belkar has never been more emotionally stable or un-discouraging.

Bloodfeast is victorious! And he's restraining Mr. Scruffy to boot.

[WindStruck]

It's nice that they're all slowly able to join the fight again, but I'm just afraid Sunny can shoot them all over again.

[Wizard_Lizard]

Honestly that was sooo funny. Also Belkar's thingywhatsit didn't seem to hurt him when he gave it to Elan, not sure if that means anything, coz perhaps he wasn't using it or whatever, or maybe he was just apathetic to it, or what have you, but who knows?

[Thales]

It's nice that they're all slowly able to join the fight again, but I'm just afraid Sunny can shoot them all over again.

One way I could see this playing out is that they neutralize all of Sunny's first volley, Serini orders Sunny to fire again with all the rays, including the presumably-lethal #8, and Sunny, being more good than Serini objects and bows out of the fight.

[JonahFalcon]

Power Word: Blind.

[MartianInvader]

Round 1:
Bloodfeast attacks Minrah.
Minrah casts on Belkar.
Belkar Aid Anothers Elan.
Round 2

... ish.

I don't think it's even been a round yet. I think it's:

Round 1:
Sunny blasts everyone
Bloodfeast wakes up Minrah
Serini misses Haley
Minrah calms Belkar
Belkar puts the clasp on Elan
Elan Neutralize Poisons V
V Breaks Enchantment Durkon
Durkon Restorations Roy
Roy either tries diplomacy or throws his sword

...THEN round 2

Action economy!

[Elenna]

Was not expecting Bloodfeast to be the VIP of this battle but I love it.

[Reboot]

I don't think it's even been a round yet. I think it's:

Round 1:
Sunny blasts everyone
Bloodfeast wakes up Minrah
Serini misses Haley
Minrah calms Belkar
Belkar puts the clasp on Elan
Elan Neutralize Poisons V
V Breaks Enchantment Durkon
Durkon Restorations Roy
Roy either tries diplomacy or throws his sword

...THEN round 2

Action economy!

Restoration won't be enough on Roy. Sure, it might wake him up... but even if the poison did no HP damage (and so he didn't need a Cure), he'd fall straight back down again. Need a Neutralize Poison first to avoid that.

[Tecatin]

As always when second-guessing casters, it comes down to what spells they have prepared. Calm Emotions does strike me as a somewhat odd thing to have prepared for the situations the Order might expect from their plans for the day, though.

Bit late to this but considering Minrah was with the entire party when the vampires managed to use charm spells to control most of the party it strikes me as personally reasonable; if xykon or any casters they don't know about show up its a good way to help deal with that kind of issue.

[Dion]

Bloodfeast the bloodinator for the win!

[elecampane]

I don't think it's even been a round yet. I think it's:

Round 1:
Sunny blasts everyone
Bloodfeast wakes up Minrah
Serini misses Haley
Minrah calms Belkar
Belkar puts the clasp on Elan
Elan Neutralize Poisons V
V Breaks Enchantment Durkon
Durkon Restorations Roy
Roy either tries diplomacy or throws his sword

...THEN round 2

Action economy!

I feel compelled to point out that Break Enchantment takes a minute to cast. V could have Stone to flesh prepared (in theory) or as a scroll, but that's a bit more risky and less likely. It seems, Durkon's out for the fignt; even if Sunny looks at him with a central antimagic eye, it still won't help: flesh to stone has instantaneous duration, not permanent.

Restoration won't be enough on Roy. Sure, it might wake him up... but even if the poison did no HP damage (and so he didn't need a Cure), he'd fall straight back down again. Need a Neutralize Poison first to avoid that.

He'll only fall down if he fails the second saving throw, and even then after a minute. And obviously, Durkon could just Heal him, the spell restores hit points and removes both ability damage and many harmful conditions