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2021-10-04, 08:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1245 - The Discussion Thread
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They are very much trying NOT to get to "the rest of the dungeon," as doing so may weaken its defenses. So far everyone has gotten lucky because Team Evil are blithering idiots and didn't think a rogue would be a good idea to bring to an epic dungeonPlague Doctor by Crimmy
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2021-10-04, 08:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-04, 08:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sorry, I forget that not everyone might be as versed with 3.5 rules minutiae this late into the comic's run.
I was actually referring to Wall of Force, which specifically persists in an antimagic field. Now that V knows Sunny is there, they can block his center eye with that spell.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2021-10-04, 08:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oh because the Order are supposedly in a dungeon zone that is *not* filled with continuously regenerating creatures, unlike the spaces Team Evil has been crawling in.
I see your point, but the Order will fight to save itself, so I think my statement still stands that there may be nigh unlimited monsters that could come to aid Serini, beyond what the Order could cope with. It seems like a probable way to tell the story, given the situation as laid out in the backstory and current storyline thus far.Last edited by DreamCreator; 2021-10-04 at 08:48 PM.
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2021-10-04, 08:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1245 - The Discussion Thread
Unlimited monsters in the dungeon as a whole - probably. But she specifically lured them into an enclosed area for her AMF cone gambit, so I suspect that capturing her again is the most likely outcome to this interlude.
(But then, its Serini, so who knows, she might charge off and accidentally break the gate herself or something equally dumb.)Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2021-10-04, 08:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-04, 09:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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If the idea is to make the readers as frustrated as possible, it’s succeeding quite well. :smallfrustrated:
Seriously, my sympathy for her is reaching new and creative limits the more I see her. She’d better get a verbal smackdown at the end of this, that’s for sure.Cool elan Illithid Slayer by linkele.
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2021-10-04, 09:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-04, 09:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-04, 09:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, I don't know if she even knows they're the protagonists, or thinks in that way, the self-awareness of OOTS-world in general aside. I generally agree with you, although I'd phrase it as "These fools who keep blowing up gates say they're here to protect mine? Thanks, but no thanks."
I mean, I didn't expect her to roll over at the first sign of her plan going wrong. The fight will take however long it needs to take.
Aside, on second read I really enjoyed Serini's weapon of choice against Belkar, taking advantage of and turning those heightened halfling senses on their head.
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2021-10-04, 09:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Personally I love Serini and everything about this fight Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż
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2021-10-04, 09:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Belkar really has made progress. Back in the day he would have just stabbed her. Too bad it didn't pay off for him this time.
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2021-10-04, 09:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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So what makes piercers a kinda dumb monster is they have no attack when they aren't falling from a ceiling. And they are really really slow. So they get one attack and get butchered for XP usually. But it is also a fairly reasonable tactic to just ignore them, especially in versions of D&D where they aren't worth any xp to the current party.
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2021-10-04, 09:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-04, 09:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1245 - The Discussion Thread
huh, an epic level rogue with multiple back-up plans, imagine that (also{scrubbed})
also this adds more fuel to my theory that:
1) serini thinks the order are a bunch of bumbling oafs
2) serini thinks that she's better then the order and since she lost to xykon the order stands no chanceLast edited by Peelee; 2021-10-05 at 05:27 AM.
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2021-10-04, 10:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Serini has a real potpourri of monsters at her command, doesn't she?
And real potpourri, too.
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2021-10-04, 10:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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honestly, that's realistic for most ambush predators, if their ambush fails or they're caught out in the open they're really vulnerable
I think the trick with piercers is that they usually fall in groups of 20 or so
what I honestly find weird is how the piercer managed to hit haley at all since I'm pretty sure you get a reflex save, maybe she rolled a 1
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2021-10-04, 11:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1245 - The Discussion Thread
Putting myself in Serini's shoes, she had a stable situation going (Team Evil wandering from dungeon to dungeon and making no signs of progress). Now a bunch of do-gooders who haven't objectively done much good, as far as the Gates are concerned, is on the verge of cluing Team Evil in on the whole secret of the dungeon, with one ambush that has at best a 50/50 chance of success; maybe worse, since only 1 of their confrontations with Xykon ended in a win, and then they failed to close the deal. And blew up a Gate in the process. They're troublemakers who are barging into her house and rearranging the furniture.
Honestly, I can't see a player in that situation not behaving pretty much as Serini does. In her own mind, she's the PC here and the OOTS are bit players who mess things up wherever they go.
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2021-10-05, 12:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1245 - The Discussion Thread
Except that she's operating on a flawed assumption caused by incomplete data, namely that if Xykon does take the final gate... meh, it won't be all that bad. Yeah, he'll be the big head honcho for a while, but some adventurers will eventually knock him off, it won't be the end of the world or anything.
When, well, yes, it would be the end of the world. It could be the end of more than just the world, even, it could be the death of pantheons, and all the souls that have passed onto their final destinations.
I understand why she feels the way she does and believes what she does, but at the end of the day she's still wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong...
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2021-10-05, 12:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1245 - The Discussion Thread
I'm guessing you're too young to have watched M*A*S*H? (The main character was "Hawkeye" Benjamin Franklin Pierce, {scrubbed}. I watched Animaniacs too, but a song from one episode wasn't as memorable for me as a name repeated countless times in a series that ran for over a decade.)
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2021-10-05, 12:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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In the circumstances, that would probably have been the better option for him this time.
The real cause of her flawed assumption is not a lack of information, but a poor analysis of the information she does have. Based on what she knows about Xykon, that he intends to use the Snarl to control the world (and perhaps that he's already destroyed a gate), it's pretty naive not to factor in the significant risk of Xykon releasing the Snarl.
Surely, V could still cast spells with instant effect, like disintegrate.
We haven't seen Minrah for a couple of strips. Perhaps she is neutralising poison on Roy.Last edited by Liquor Box; 2021-10-05 at 12:50 AM.
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2021-10-05, 01:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yep. From her perspective it's pretty reasonable to not want the Order to get involved.
Sure, which is why I ultimately expect this to resolve with the Order informing Serini of how this actually works and getting her assistance in some way. Of course, she doesn't know that she doesn't know that, so from her perspective and what she does know, keeping the Order away from her Gate, when keeping her Gate intact is her top priority, is sound reasoning.
Ahahah, I didn't even catch that, and I feel like I really should have.Last edited by Peelee; 2021-10-05 at 12:29 PM.
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2021-10-05, 01:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Her what now?
And even if he doesn't, the significant risk that the very adventurers she's counting on to topple him do the same. Including inadvertently with an epic battle, the very one her own dungeon is making worse by making TE stronger.
I actually want him to open his eye again. MORE BLOODFEAST!Last edited by Psyren; 2021-10-05 at 01:23 AM.
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