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    Default Ok they had weakest, now build the strongest

    Level 3 character. Using any book from 3.5 no homebrew stuff.

    (This is mostly a "Help me get back at my buddy" thread haha curse him and his damned nine swords)

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    *sigh* Do I even have to say it?
    Last edited by Dausuul; 2007-11-20 at 05:04 PM.

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    Default Re: Ok they had weakest, now build the strongest

    You're going to need to add some more limits, as Dausuul pointed out.

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    Default Re: Ok they had weakest, now build the strongest

    It begins with "Pun" and ends with "Pun". How many signs are there between the beginning and the end?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KIDS View Post
    It begins with "Pun" and ends with "Pun". How many signs are there between the beginning and the end?
    He's actually level 6, so no go.

    How the hell did your buddy get a nine swords??? He's level three, right?
    I apologize for the quality of the above post.

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    Pun-Pun can actually be done with a level 1 Psion.

    It involves lots of Knowledge (The Planes) cheese that I won't spell out here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WrstDmEvr
    How the hell did your buddy get a nine swords??? He's level three, right?
    Methinks this is a reference to the Tome of Battle's (which is often called "Nine Swords") classes dominating at low levels.

    If you want to show him up in a sane game, just start throwing Glitterdust and Web around. Or flaunt your skill points somewhere.

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    Ah. I apologize for my ignorance.
    I apologize for the quality of the above post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Bookworm View Post
    Pun-Pun can actually be done with a level 1 Psion.

    It involves lots of Knowledge (The Planes) cheese that I won't spell out here.
    You don't need to be a Psion; you just need to avoid groaning whenever you think of Beetlejuice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Bookworm View Post
    Pun-Pun can actually be done with a level 1 Psion.

    It involves lots of Knowledge (The Planes) cheese that I won't spell out here.
    Pazuzu ftw!
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    What does Pazuzu has to do with Pun-Pun?

    For that matter, what does Pun-Pun stand for? I have this funny feeling I'm missing something here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordokai View Post
    What does Pazuzu has to do with Pun-Pun?

    For that matter, what does Pun-Pun stand for? I have this funny feeling I'm missing something here.
    The knowledge the(the planes) check is to see if the pazuzu will grant wishes if you say his name three times. I'm not sure of the spiecifics but you wish to be on anothe plane with a candle of invocation and call one of the snake thing with manipulate form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuyoshikentsu View Post
    You don't need to be a Psion; you just need to avoid groaning whenever you think of Beetlejuice.
    Hastur > Pazuzu, IMO.

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    Default Re: Ok they had weakest, now build the strongest

    Isn't Pun-Pun a paladin who uses re-training rules.

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    No. Pun-Pun is a kobold who is unbeatable without time-travel cheese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty View Post
    No. Pun-Pun is a kobold who is unbeatable without time-travel cheese.
    But Pun-pun has said time travel cheese and can give himself an immunity to it.
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    The serpent things are Sarrukhs. 14HD, CR23, 1 main special ability: Manipulate form (lets you give any power to any scaled creature). But to make Pun-pun, you need to retrain and get a loyal snake familiar. And turn yourself into a Sarrukh, I thought.

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    There's more than one version to Pun-Pun. The original one requires 5 levels and gives you infinite stats in all stats...the newest version uses pazuzu(a demon that grants wishes) to grant you wishes...i'm not exactly sure how that works out...He can also, with magic of incarnum, create a sphere of "tv screens" for every place in every plane. He can then with his infinite spot see anything and everything in every plain and reach through the tv screen and kill anything he doesn't like...

    anyway link here for anyone that doesn't know of khan's exploits on the wizard forum
    http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=491801

    and next is the most iterated phrase in these forums..."best at what"?
    There are a million things to be good at and you can't be good in all of them...unless of course you are pun pun...
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    Default Re: Ok they had weakest, now build the strongest

    Actually, through a phrasing loophole, Pun-pun can use any sp/ex/su ability he wants...including ones he makes up. So he can do absolutely anything he wants to. The one I've read is 5th level. I'm guessing the 1st level Pazuzu thing is a set up to get the pieces you need to become Pun-pun from first level.

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    I'd be lying if I said I wasn't involved with Pun-Pun's level 1 model, but these days it's best to consider something other than "The double-P that must not be named" whenever anyone asks for the "most powerful" at any level. Presently we're working on a prenatal Pun-Pun, or P3

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuyoshikentsu View Post
    You don't need to be a Psion; you just need to avoid groaning whenever you think of Beetlejuice.
    QFT! If you head on over to the CO and TO boards, my sig has a simple version of his current incarnation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kemmotar View Post
    There's more than one version to Pun-Pun. The original one requires 5 levels
    Well, no - the original original was a 12th level Psion Egoist with Overchannel, Assume Supernatural Ability (Manipulate Form) and Psicrystal Affinity (for a friendly target).

    He went through several incarnations, and was eventually whittled down to an Old level 1 Human Paladin using Knoweledge skill abuse and a fairly specific major demon to initiate an infinite Wish loop to initiate the Pun-Pun loop.
    Last edited by Jack_Simth; 2007-11-21 at 06:24 PM.
    Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.

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    Default Re: Ok they had weakest, now build the strongest

    back on topic:

    Personally, I would suggest a warlock using a Sickening Eldritch Spear. Plays to a will save and you can launch it from far enough to avoid any attempts to close the distance between you.
    I apologize for the quality of the above post.

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