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2022-04-18, 12:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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When the definition you've always used for a word isn't there
I'm feeling bewildered right now, because a simple word that I've used my entire life is apparently not even recognized as having the definition I've used for it, even as slang, according to the internet and its dictionaries, at least with my Googling skills.
That word? Poky/Pokey.
Now, I was familiar with the definition referring to slowness (though not the other definitions I've found). What astonished me was the apparent complete lack of "the property of an object with has pointy protrusions which can poke you" as a definition of poky. Such as, say, a sea urchin being poky. This has been in my lexicon since my childhood (I'm almost 33), and the apparent lack of this definition being even a nonstandard one is mind-blowing.
1. Can anyone validate my use of this word with their own experience?
2. Does anyone have any other examples of words they have suddenly found out nobody else uses the way they always have?
3. How in the world is the most straightforward and obvious meaning of the word not one of its definitions?!
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2022-04-18, 01:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When the definition you've always used for a word isn't there
I just looked on urbandictionary.com and in the second page of definitions for "pokey" I found:
"When something pokes you repeatedly in the mouth or other area"
Is that not close enough to your meaning? There are five pages of definitions there so I'm not going to go through them all, I leave that as an exercise for the reader!
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2022-04-18, 08:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When the definition you've always used for a word isn't there
Where yinz from?
I get a lot of mileage out of that term and its variants, including the synonym for prickly, with flippant disregard for what the dictionaries may say. It's just one of those words that comes to English from everywhere with a web of derivatives. "My poky uncle is in the pokey for poking around the poker club. Cops caught him with a poke full of cash poking out of his jacket after he poked a waiter with the poky end of a fireplace poker over some bad poke."“Rule is what lies between what is said and what is understood.”~Raja Rudatha, the Spider Prince
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2022-04-22, 01:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When the definition you've always used for a word isn't there
Dictionaries are just books, they can't control us!
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2022-04-22, 03:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When the definition you've always used for a word isn't there
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2022-04-22, 04:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When the definition you've always used for a word isn't there
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2022-04-22, 04:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When the definition you've always used for a word isn't there
I had been led by context to believe that the term virulent meant "fast-spreading and quick to take effect" when instead it means "particularly harmful."
I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2022-04-22, 05:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When the definition you've always used for a word isn't there
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2022-04-22, 10:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When the definition you've always used for a word isn't there
I think by "do" he meant "openly admit to yadda yadda yadda" not "mandate blibbity blabbity"
That is, he was pointing out that some dictionaries (like the earliest Webster's editions) do, in fact, try to mandate blibbity blabbity... and they suck, but still should be acknowledged as existing.Last edited by enderlord99; 2022-04-22 at 10:34 PM.
I use braces (also known as "curly brackets") to indicate sarcasm. If there are none present, I probably believe what I am saying; should it turn out to be inaccurate trivia, please tell me rather than trying to play along with an apparent joke I don't know I'm making.
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2022-04-23, 01:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When the definition you've always used for a word isn't there
Actually I was pointing out that the Académie publishes (or pretends to, at any rate) a dictionnary that claims to set definitions. And that's bad.
So you were both right!Forum Wisdom
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2022-04-25, 07:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-15, 04:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-05-26, 12:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When the definition you've always used for a word isn't there
On the tangental questions: I would generally think "has pointy parts" from "pokey"/"poky", but I just heard the slowness definition recently.
I knew the story The Pokey Little Puppy, but I thought "pokey" meant "spotted" when I read it as a kid. It wasn't until someone was reading it to my kids and they explained the definition that I realized I had just miscomprehended it as a kid and carried that definition forward.
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2022-06-08, 06:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When the definition you've always used for a word isn't there
It's just derived from a productive suffix. Adding -y onto a word is one of the ways to generate an adjectival form. It's likely not found in the dictionary because dictionaries rarely list each and every way the word can be altered.
Here, check this: does your dictionary have a listing for "spotty"?Alignments are objective. Right and wrong are not.
Good: Will act to prevent harm to others even at personal cost.
Evil: Will seek personal benefit even if it causes harm to others.
Law: General, universal, and consistent trump specific, local, and inconsistent.
Chaos: Specific, local, and inconsistent trump general, universal, and consistent.
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2022-06-18, 06:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When the definition you've always used for a word isn't there
Languages are in a sense living constructs, and just as they play a role in forming us individually, we have the chance to leave our own marks on them reciprocally. So in most cases, when you ask if [x] is a word and someone answers "no," it's completely valid to reply, "well, now it is."
Protip: Get one of those official-looking badge-wallets and every time someone calls you on a neologism, just flip it open to a badge that has your name and "WORDSMITH" on it.
(Bonus points: Use comic sans with really bad kerning.)
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2022-06-18, 06:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-06-19, 01:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-06-23, 06:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: When the definition you've always used for a word isn't there
Came here to say this. The reason you're unlikely to find "pokey" or "poky" as a stand-alone entry is because the word is inflection of "poke". Most languages some way to turn nouns and verbs into adjectives, in English typically by adding -y or -ish. Listing these separately is only worth the effort when significant morphological or semantic drift happens.
Some languages have more inflections and allow for fancier constructions, which is why various word games accept base forms of words only.
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2022-07-16, 05:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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