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2022-04-19, 07:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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this whole situation could have been avoided her if they just called her (In the context of Marvel Comics) "Jane the Thunder God".
just have (In the context of Marvel Comics) "The Thunder god" be the title that is passed down. Bam, problem solved.Avy by Thormag
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2022-04-19, 08:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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This will probably be one I look up on TV Tropes. I wasn’t keen on the tone shift in Ragnarok and from what I’ve heard this one will be more of the same.
None of this applies to the MCU, where Thor is Thor and has always been Thor, and the closest he came to being someone else was when Jane and co. tried to pass him off as a human on steroids.
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2022-04-19, 09:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's gonna be a hard lift to follow Ragnarok in my opinion. That was peak Thor movie awesomeness. But I'll watch this one and see if they can at least get close; seems like it's keeping in that same silliness/adventure fun.
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2022-04-19, 10:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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And like has already mentioned, that is a retcon. That is not how the original 60s comics were when the character was introduced. Donald Blake was a separate from Thor, a handicapped person who became Godlike and the Thor part was not a god but magic, much like Billy Batson was separate from Captain Marvel / Shazam. 6 Years later a retcon happened saying Donald Blake was not real but Odin put a handicapped curse on Thor for Thor’s dad is a real piece of work. Then 30 years later there is another Retcon and Donald Blake becomes real (created by Odin) and he was always a plaything of the gods and he was not happy about this.
Retcons happened always. It is part of the genre. Thor was originally magic power given to you by an artifact much like DC’s Shazam or a Green Lantern ring? So why not return to origin and create a new story? That is what corporate ip does, it is generative, and it creates another baroque contradiction and adds to the tapestry of lore with more arcane details.Stupendous Man drawn by Linklele
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2022-04-19, 10:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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That
A. Doesn't apply to the MCU.
B. Doesn't make retcons good.
Plenty of comic retcons have been panned by fans. Yeah, are we gonna go digging up outrage from some 60 year old retcon? Probably not. Even comic book fans have to let go of spite eventually. But a new retcon always brings predictable backlash.
Whoever mentioned Miles Morales as a great way to do it...I agree. He's an amazing spiderman, and that's because he got his own story, he didn't just ride the coattales of someone else. Just a drag and drop replacement isn't a new story, it's...lazy, in the way that so much of modern hollywood already is. If you want to tell us about a new person, cool, tell us. Spin us the tale, and make it new.
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2022-04-19, 11:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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This is odd, because from secondhand accounts I had always gotten the impression that the Mighty Thor run was fairly well-received by fans, since it was less a tale of 'hey new Thor better than old Thor' and more 'Odinson trying to figure out who he is without the mantle'. I'm definitely getting more of the second vibe from this trailer, leaving aside the explicit dialogue to that end.
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2022-04-19, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, there's already precedent for people wielding the hammer and gaining Thor's power with Cap. Of course the MCU is quickly reaching the point where more people can wield the hammer than not, so it's not that special anymore.
I don't really care if Thor passes off the mantle or whatever in the MCU. It makes more sense than in comics since actors actually age, and honestly I'm pretty sick of super hero movies by now anyway. The more they distance future movies from the ones I'm already invested in, the easier it will be for me to stop paying attention to them.
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2022-04-19, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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"Three blokes walk into a pub. One of them is a little bit stupid, and the whole scene unfolds with a tedious inevitability." - Bill Bailey
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2022-04-19, 12:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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There was also that frog from the Loki show, and I'm betting Beta Ray Bill soon. It's enough that it's no longer impressive or unique. We've seen more people lift it than fail at this point.
That would be an odd interpretation considering that he's hardly even present in the run, and the few times he does show up it's so she can show off how much better she is than him at being Thor. There are some comics that do explore that aspect, but the Mighty Thor run is very much about Jane Foster.Last edited by Anteros; 2022-04-19 at 12:10 PM.
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2022-04-19, 12:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Was he shunted off into his own solo mini-series or something then? Like I said, I got all of this second or third-hand.
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2022-04-19, 12:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Warning: This posting may contain wit, wisdom, pathos, irony, satire, sarcasm and puns. And traces of nut.
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2022-04-19, 12:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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He shows up like twice in the first 20 issues and then at the climax. The run is very much about Jane.
He does show up as a side character in some other comics around the same time, and had his own 5 issue mini-series called The Unworthy Thor that explored some of the issues of him finding himself unworthy. The main run was almost entirely about Jane with a tiny bit of Loki and Thor sprinkled in.
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2022-04-19, 01:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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And that is what we are talking about. People generating new spite out of nothing, and say this is offensive and everyone should be offended. And other people responding no it is not offensive, it happens all the time (points to long list of similar comics but not 100% the same), and why is this specific thing what offends you when you did not care about dozens of other similar things.
It was well received by the people who read it. But lots of people got angry prior to reading it and they like their grudges.
The author who wrote the Thor character for years has a lot of talent. Just keep him away from the flaming chicken, and to a lesser extent the Avengers for while he wrote a superb Thor his strengths do not fit in all comics dynamics. (There is half a dozen artists for Thor in the last ten years. I think the various types of artist is just as important as the writer but how Marvel does this business wise is the writer is the more constant over years and the artist they move around.)
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I am about to post a Baroque list that is 2 years out of date, assembled by Marvel’s website. It is the Jason Aaron’s run of the various Thors from 2012 to 2019.
The real way you should be reading comics is either the Marvel Unlimited subscription app which is 3 months out of date / lag. Or wait for complete collections to be assembled as trade paperbacks or the hardback omnibuses which are improvised melee weapons.
In May 2022 there will be a Jason Aaron vol 5 of complete collection that takes you up to Thor 2019 as one of those hardback improvised melee weapons. This list assembled below is from 2020, chronicling the comic run up to 2019, and thus they will mention the complete collection maxes out at vol 2 which takes you to 2014 (right before the Jane stuff.) Trade offs for comics are baroque and unapproachable.
A really long list time.
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comi...n-aaron-s-thor
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The Complete Collection
Thor By Jason Aaron The Complete Collection Volume 1 (Thor: God of Thunder #1-18)Thor: God Of Thunder (2012-2015)
Thor By Jason Aaron The Complete Collection Volume 2 (Thor: God of Thunder #19-25, Thor (2014) #1-8, Thor Annual #1 and Thors #1-4)
Thor: God Of Thunder Volume 1: The God Butcher (#1-5)Original Sin (2014)
Thor: God Of Thunder Volume 2: Godbomb (#6-11)
Thor: God Of Thunder Volume 3: The Accursed (#12-18)
Thor: God Of Thunder Volume 4: The Last Days of Midgard (#19-25)
Thor: God of Thunder Volume 1 (#1-11)
Thor: God Of Thunder Volume 2 (#12-25)
Original Sin #0-8 (2014)Thor (2014-2015)
Original Sin: Thor & Loki - The Tenth Realm (Original Sin #5.1-5.5 2014)
Thor #1-8, Annual #1 (2014-2105)Secret Wars (2015-2016)
Thor Volume 1: The Goddess Of Thunder (#1-5)
Thor Volume 2: Who Holds The Hammer (#6-8, Annual #1)
Thor By Jason Aaron & Russell Dauterman Volume 1 (Thor #1-8, Annual #1)
Thors: Secret Wars Battleworld (Thors #1-4 2015-2016)The Mighty Thor (2016-2018)
The Mighty Thor Volume 1: Thunder In Her Veins (#1-5)Thor (2018-2019)
The Mighty Thor Volume 2: Lords Of Midgard (#6-12)
The Mighty Thor Volume 3: The Asgard/Shi-Ar War (#13-19)
Unworthy Thor TPB (#1-5)
The Mighty Thor Volume 4: The War Thor (#20-23, Generations: Unworthy Thor And Mighty Thor #1)
The Mighty Thor Volume 5: The Death Of The Mighty Thor (#700-706, Mighty Thor At The Gates Of Valhalla #1)
Thor By Jason Aaron & Russell Dauterman Volume 2 (Mighty Thor #1-12)
Thor By Jason Aaron & Russell Dauterman Volume 3 (Mighty Thor #13-23, #700-706, Generations: Unworthy Thor & Mighty Thor and Mighty Thor At The Gates Of Valhalla)
Thor Vol. 1: God Of Thunder Reborn (#1-6)War of the Realms
Thor Vol 2: Road To War Of The Realms (#7-11)
Thor Vol 3: War's End (#12-16)
War of the Realms (2019)Beyond!
King Thor (2019-2020)
Valkyrie: Jane Foster Volume 1: The Sacred And The Profane (#1-5)
Valkyrie: Jane Foster Volume 2: At The End Of All Things (#6-10)
Avengers #1-ongoing (2018-present)
Avengers Volume 1: The Final Host (#1-6)
Avengers Volume 2: World Tour (#7-12)
Avengers Volume 3: War of the Vampires (#13-17)
Avengers Volume 4: War of the Realms (#18-21, FCBD Story)
Avengers Volume 5: Challenge of the Ghost Riders (#22-25, All-New Ghost Rider #1)
Avengers Volume 6: Star Brand Reborn (#26-30)
Avengers Volume 7: Age of Khonshu (#31-37)
Jane Fosters run was Thor 2014 to 2015 often called Vol 4 for it got a new number 1 but that volume is different than the volumes I just posted which is how Marvel collects it in smaller trade paperbacks of 4 to 6 issues (150ish pages though can be shorter) which are then assembled into larger hardback omnibus’s or complete collections which are like 800 pages.
Thor from that time did not get his own book, and the next main book he was in was Unworthy Thor in late 2016. Meanwhile during that time he is in all the team books, crossovers, and other Asgard books with over 80 comic appearances in 2 years and change. You got to give Jane thor time to breathe, you also introduced Neil Gaiman’s Angela as Thor’s long lost sister in the same event when Thor lost his hammer and Angela gets her own series, Loki got his series, etc, etc. Oh yeah there was also Secret Wars one of those big events they only do every decade or so.
Note those 80+ comic appearances of Thor Odinson are not listed in the Jason Aaron thor list I posted above since so many writers that are not Jason wrote Thor at the time in their team books or Thor was guest starring in other books.
If you want too much detail of the sequential reading order where Thor Odinson has been in 2100+ comics (many not his own) go here. I am linking in the middle where Thor lost his hammer.
https://cmro.travis-starnes.com/char...rder_listing=1
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If it is not obvious that via having 2100+ comics for a single character you have to mess them up and throw the hammer around in order to tell a new and original story and to keep it novel. Why shouldn’t Jane have a turn?Stupendous Man drawn by Linklele
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2022-04-19, 03:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thanks to Linklele for my new avatar!
If i had superpowers. I would go to conventions dressed as myself, and see if i got complimented on my authenticity.
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2022-04-19, 04:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-04-19, 07:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Throg, Frog of Thunder. Second best background joke in Loki, after the Thanoscopter.
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2022-04-19, 07:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-04-19, 10:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-04-19, 11:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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How many years have passed in the MCU since the first Thor movie?
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2022-04-19, 11:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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The original Thor took place in the same year it was released--2011.
I think the MCU is still a bit ahead of the real world; 2024, I think? So about 13 years. Not sure when Love and Thunder is supposed to be set, though.
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2022-04-19, 11:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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It was absolutely not well received by everyone who read it. This is just you trying to dismiss other people's opinions because you don't share them. Other people's opinions are valid.
Those other examples you're talking about had plenty of people that disliked them as well. You're just not as personally invested in defending those stories.
Thor from that time did not get his own book, and the next main book he was in was Unworthy Thor in late 2016. Meanwhile during that time he is in all the team books, crossovers, and other Asgard books with over 80 comic appearances in 2 years and change. You got to give Jane thor time to breathe, you also introduced Neil Gaiman’s Angela as Thor’s long lost sister in the same event when Thor lost his hammer and Angela gets her own series, Loki got his series, etc, etc. Oh yeah there was also Secret Wars one of those big events they only do every decade or so.
If it is not obvious that via having 2100+ comics for a single character you have to mess them up and throw the hammer around in order to tell a new and original story and to keep it novel. Why shouldn’t Jane have a turn?
I'm aware. Just pointing out that seeing random people who aren't "our Thor" wield the hammer is hardly rare in the MCU.
I don't know many individual comic writers, but if he's the guy that writes Thor then I definitely agree that the main Thor book is almost always completely terrible. The Jane arc wasn't so much a drop in quality as it was a continuation of awful writing. I get to read them for free though, and I like Loki as a character so I pick them up every now and then, even though he hardly ever gets any decent moments outside of his own mini-series.
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2022-04-19, 11:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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According to this article, Thor 1 took place in MCU-2011, Thor: Ragnarok took place in MCU-2017. Endgame concludes in MCU-2023, and this appears to immediately follow that or closely afterwards.
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2022-04-20, 07:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-04-20, 03:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not nothing. It happened because of something new. People are going to be upset over news even if something like it happened like sixty years ago. Yeah, we care about the new thing more than something we know about that happened before we were even alive. That's how people work.
That's why the busy threads are almost always about new movie releases, and not *just* about people discussing old retcons they hated. They do that too, sometimes, though. Get folks arguing about Star Wars movies or what not, and you'll have rage for days. No inconsistency there.
In addition to that, she is clearly shown to be wielding it in the painting of her with Odin.
This is not necessarily an inconsistency...in fact, that history and her power being very weapon specific may explain why she, specifically, is able to destroy the hammer when clearly nobody else can.
But it's certainly a tally mark on the list of characters in the MCU we've seen worthy of wielding it.
At this point, another character being shown to be worthy of wielding the hammer is most definitely a lot less impressive and surprising than when Vision did. It's not necessarily bad or illogical(another universe's Thor is likely to have a hammer or equivalent) but story wise, it's not as interesting to use the same trick again.
Overall, I view this trailer as kind of meh. References to comic things are not super exciting in themselves for me, unless I really like the story they're referring to. Nostalgia baiting isn't usually a plus, a new costume is whatever. I liked Ragnarok quite a bit, and I do hope that this film lives up to that bar, but this particular trailer doesn't really give out enough info to guarantee it's got the same sort of solid humor and adventuresome vibe. Of course, being a trailer, it's inherently incomplete in many cases, so who knows what else is there?
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2022-04-20, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Because the Worthy enchantment wasn’t added until the Thor film. It didn’t exist when Hela had it.
So who has shown themselves worthy?
Captain America(a given)
Vision.(vital plot point in showing he could be trusted)
And now Jane.
Given the scope of the marvel films that’s not a huge list.Last edited by Lord Vukodlak; 2022-04-20 at 04:01 PM.
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2022-04-20, 04:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, Hela was simply able to stop Mjolnir through personal power. She didn't have to be worthy, she was just stronger than Odin.
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2022-04-20, 09:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Mechalich
Either way it's done, the trick here is getting Natalie Portman to commit. She's a great actress when she gives it her all, but she has a bad tendency to coast vacantly through projects she's not locked-in on.
Originally Posted by JoshL
Same here on Squirrel Girl. That was the first superhero book I followed since I was a kid, and the first print subscription I've had since the 80s! I loved that book, and I hope SG gets a film sometime soon….
Originally Posted by Kareeah_Indaga
I wasn’t keen on the tone shift in Ragnarok and from what I’ve heard this one will be more of the same.
...None of this applies to the MCU, where Thor is Thor and has always been Thor, and the closest he came to being someone else was when Jane and co. tried to pass him off as a human on steroids
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2022-04-21, 03:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, the go to example is Black Swan, which is a genuinely excellent performance. Her performance in Jackie was also supposed to be very good, but I have not seen that movie. Generally any of the performances I think people point to will all be smaller films. I don't think she's ever turned in a high quality performance in a blockbuster.
She also, in my opinion, isn't very open as an actress and her range is therefore narrowed to characters who are themselves opaque or hiding something, often even from themselves. If you give her a character the audience is supposed to understand completely it doesn't really work.
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2022-04-21, 08:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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That is an important point to remember in Thor 1. Geez, looking at the release date, it feels like an eternity ago for me. :p
The immovable object to the hammer's unstoppable force. But yeah, being able to stop Mjolnir mid-flight means that she is... Hela strong.
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2022-04-21, 09:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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As far as Portman's acting chops, I've only ever seen her in Thor and Star Wars, but both of those managed to make even better actors look terrible by comparison. Lucas's famous direction-less directing is hard for anyone to shine under, and in Thor she was relegated to one-dimensional stereotype in the first and 'comatose body' in the second - allegedly why she refused to return to the MCU till now.
I haven't see Jackie or Black Swan, but both are supposed to be excellent. So I'll hold out hope that Waititi can do what Lucas couldn't and coax a top grade performance out of her.Last edited by The Glyphstone; 2022-04-21 at 09:09 AM.
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