Spontaneous Divine Casters?

[pabelfly]

Are there any spontaneous divine casters in 3.5, besides the unearthed arcana variants of Cleric and Druid?

[Tzardok]

The shugenja, the favoured soul and the spirit shaman are spontaneous divine casters. (The last one straddles the line because he can switch out his known spells every day.)

Edit: If we go setting specific, we also have the mystic in Dragonlance and the templar in Dark Sun (the latter is 3rd party).

[Saintheart]

Divine Bard

[Inevitability]

The Sha'ir for an extreme edge case, I guess?

Heading into PrC territory, we have the Emissary of Barachiel and Justice of Weald and Woe.

[Kurald Galain]

Are there any spontaneous divine casters in 3.5, besides the unearthed arcana variants of Cleric and Druid?

Backport the Oracle or Inquisitor from Pathfinder; that's not going to break anything in 3.5.

[pabelfly]

Very similar question (and I don't quite think it worth a separate topic) are there any other ways to get some good Cleric or healing spells on a spontaneous arcane caster besides Rainbow Servant?

https://forums.giantitp.com/showthre...d-a-Spell-List

[Saintheart]

Dragonblood Spellpact?

[ShurikVch]

Evangelist - Cleric variant - from Dragon #311

If PrC with their own spellcasting are OK - then also Emissary of Barachiel, Justice of Weald and Woe, and Purebreath Devotee (Dragon #314)

[Chronos]

Also many inherently-spellcasting monsters, like chromatic dragons and couatls. They count as arcane casters,but their spell lists often include the cleric (or in a few cases druid) list and some domains.

If you just want "some healing", you can also use the Arcane Disciple feat (some restrictions apply).

[CopperElfCleric]

A Mystic Maevan.... a Wild-Soul.

[Darg]

Also many inherently-spellcasting monsters, like chromatic dragons and couatls. They count as arcane casters,but their spell lists often include the cleric (or in a few cases druid) list and some domains.

If you just want "some healing", you can also use the Arcane Disciple feat (some restrictions apply).

Acane disciple + Versatile Spellcaster = bypass once per day limit.

The combo is especially effective on a warmage.

Otherwise it's rules legal for sorcs to learn bard spells from scrolls and vice-versa, with DM permission of course.

[Asmotherion]

Favored Soul (Miniatures Handbook) is exactly what you're looking for IMO.

[Metastachydium]

Favored Soul (Miniatures Handbook) is exactly what you're looking for IMO.

Favoured Soul is a dual-casting stat (CHA/WIS) class with delayed spell levels and no Turning/Rebuking. The UA Spontaneous Cleric is very, very strictly superior unless one's specifically after the mostly mediocre boons Favoured Soul gets.

[Asmotherion]

Favoured Soul is a dual-casting stat (CHA/WIS) class with delayed spell levels and no Turning/Rebuking. The UA Spontaneous Cleric is very, very strictly superior unless one's specifically after the mostly mediocre boons Favoured Soul gets.

I know, but OP specifically asked to not include it, so it's the best alternative I could think of.

[Tzardok]

Otherwise it's rules legal for sorcs to learn bard spells from scrolls and vice-versa, with DM permission of course.

I didn't know that spontaneous casters could learn any spells from scrolls, let alone spells that aren't on their class list. That's a spellbook thing after all. Got any sources on that?

[Metastachydium]

I know, but OP specifically asked to not include it, so it's the best alternative I could think of.

I'd pick Shugenja over Favoured Soul any day of the week, honestly (although that's mostly because of their spell list, admittedly). And then there's Mystic, of course, which is still far better, if not quite as good as Spontaneous Cleric and from a published book (rather than DMag).

[Asmotherion]

I'd pick Shugenja over Favoured Soul any day of the week, honestly (although that's mostly because of their spell list, admittedly). And then there's Mystic, of course, which is still far better, if not quite as good as Spontaneous Cleric and from a published book (rather than DMag).

Not really familiar with the Shugenja. What book is it in?

The Mystic is Setting specific, which could be a restriction; However it is a good call.

[Kaleph]

Not really familiar with the Shugenja. What book is it in?

The Mystic is Setting specific, which could be a restriction; However it is a good call.

The 3.5 version is in the complete divine - the same book where you can find the latest print of the favored soul.

In 3.0 the shugenja was printed in Oriental Adventures.

[Asmotherion]

The 3.5 version is in the complete divine - the same book where you can find the latest print of the favored soul.

In 3.0 the shugenja was printed in Oriental Adventures.

Probably completelly overlooked it then. Weird.

[Troacctid]

I'd pick Shugenja over Favoured Soul any day of the week, honestly (although that's mostly because of their spell list, admittedly).

That may be the first time I've ever heard anyone say the shugenja spell list is better than the cleric spell list. It's so restrictive, though! It doesn't bother you that they have to pay a shugenja tax on half their spell list?

[Ramza00]

Evangelist - Cleric variant - from Dragon #311

This is nice, a divine sorcerer with spontaneous cleric casting.

Gets 2 domains (and their spells known) at level 1, 3 domains at level 5 (so prestiging out before 5 disrupts this), 4 domains at level 10, 5 domains at level 15, and 6 domains at level 20.

[Metastachydium]

That may be the first time I've ever heard anyone say the shugenja spell list is better than the cleric spell list. It's so restrictive, though! It doesn't bother you that they have to pay a shugenja tax on half their spell list?

Not at all! As in, it's not "better" as such, but it doesn't bother me in any way. See, Favoured Soul is, in a nutshell, "Let's Give a Spontaneous Chassis Access to a Good List, Then Nerf the Whole Thing into Sweet Oblivion and Beyond – the Class". It's just horrible design all around. Shugenja is not a particularly strong class, no, and its spell list is short, without extensive support. But! Instead of being a generic kitchen sink random nightmare, it is wonderfully tight, thematically speaking, and it includes loads of normally arcane-only spells.

[Anthrowhale]

...Nerf the Whole Thing into Sweet Oblivion and Beyond...

Why do you think of it as nerfed so far? My impression is that Favored Soul is reasonably effective. Not quite a tier 1 caster, but still fairly potent.

[pabelfly]

Not at all! As in, it's not "better" as such, but it doesn't bother me in any way. See, Favoured Soul is, in a nutshell, "Let's Give a Spontaneous Chassis Access to a Good List, Then Nerf the Whole Thing into Sweet Oblivion and Beyond – the Class". It's just horrible design all around. Shugenja is not a particularly strong class, no, and its spell list is short, without extensive support. But! Instead of being a generic kitchen sink random nightmare, it is wonderfully tight, thematically speaking, and it includes loads of normally arcane-only spells.

Don't know if you've seen this thread but you might find it useful if you want to expand your character's spell list.

[ShurikVch]

FWIW, there are also such feats as Domain Spontaneity, Spontaneous Healer, Spontaneous Summoner, and Spontaneous Wounder

[Tzardok]

Or you can look up the Rokugan sourcebooks. The shugenja is originally from there, after all, and many of them should include some extra spells. Does have the problem that they are based on 3.0, and some of them may not make sense outside of Rokugan, but it's something.

[RandomPeasant]

Why do you think of it as nerfed so far? My impression is that Favored Soul is reasonably effective. Not quite a tier 1 caster, but still fairly potent.

You don't get the abilities that make Clerics good (particularly at low levels), and instead of knowing all the Cleric spells you know a pretty limited number of Cleric spells. It's not a bad class, but it is close to bottom-3 in terms of 9-level casters, and it is very strongly overshadowed by the Cleric.

[Darg]

I didn't know that spontaneous casters could learn any spells from scrolls, let alone spells that aren't on their class list. That's a spellbook thing after all. Got any sources on that?

These new spells can be common spells chosen from the sorcerer/wizard spell list (page 192), or they can be unusual spells that the sorcerer has gained some understanding of by study.For example, a sorcerer with a scroll or spellbook detailing an unusual sorcerer/wizard spell (one not on the sorcerer/wizard spell list in this book) could select that spell as one of his new spells for attaining a new level, provided that it is of the right spell level.

With the DM’s permission, sorcerers and bards can also select the spells they gain from new and unusual spells that they have gained some understanding of (see Spells in the sorcerer description, page 54). For instance, when Hennet the sorcerer becomes 2nd level, he gains an additional 0-level spell. He can pick that spell from the 0-level spells on the sorcerer and wizard spell list, or he might have learned an unusual spell from an arcane scroll or spellbook.

Even if one doesn't think it would allow sorcerers to learn bard spells, it would be legal to learn from an arcane disciple's scroll.

[Kish]

Even if one doesn't think it would allow sorcerers to learn bard spells, it would be legal to learn from an arcane disciple's scroll.

This claim, just like the one about bard spells, suffers from the problem of all theoretical optimization: on the numerous occasions that something requires a DM call (explicitly, in the case of all the text you linked), it substitutes an imagined DM who says yes to everything.

[RandomPeasant]

I don't know why you'd muck about learning spells from scrolls by some complicated DM call. Just use dragonblood spell-pact and shuffle stuff around however you want.