OOTS #545 - The Discussion Thread

[The Giant]

New comic is up.

Yesterday went pretty smoothly, but all warnings about the boards possibly getting taken down in the event of lag still remain in effect. On the plus side, it's Saturday.

[nimby]

At least now we know the Snarl isn't responsible for making the rifts bigger.


Poor nameless NPCs, though :(

[Emperor Ing]

He *cough cough cough* hehe. Those NPCs have a slightly diminished chance of possibly escaping from this alive.

[Shadowcaller]

Well this explains a lot.
Wonder what is going to happen to the first group?

[Max_Sinister]

*g* So Redcloak now knows the truth but doesn't believe it? Yes, that's him. Reminds me of an occasion in SoD where he thinks too complicated too.

[Yendor]

So... does O-chul actually know or did he make up by chance something that was really true?

[SPoD]

O-Chul absolutely does NOT know how Girard's Gate is defended; doing so would break Soon's Oath. I believe he made something up on the spot, based on what little he knew about Girard, and blew his Bluff check. He says as much in the last panel, when he admits that he's a bad liar because he made Charisma his dump stat.

[Bernemer]

So... does O-chul actually know or did he make up by chance something that was really true?

I guess it's similar to that paradoxon where "An Azurite says that every Azurite is a liar."

[Shadowcaller]

O-Chul absolutely does NOT know how Girard's Gate is defended; doing so would break Soon's Oath. I believe he made something up on the spot, based on what little he knew about Girard, and blew his Bluff check. He says as much in the last panel, when he admits that he's a bad liar because he made Charisma his dump stat.

Yeah thats what I think too, but his lie was suspiciously close to the truth...

[Bernemer]

O-Chul absolutely does NOT know how Girard's Gate is defended; doing so would break Soon's Oath. I believe he made something up on the spot, based on what little he knew about Girard, and blew his Bluff check. He says as much in the last panel, when he admits that he's a bad liar because he made Charisma his dump stat.

Actually, that might be a lie, to protect the made-up story, which by chance did happen to be true...

[SPoD]

Yeah thats what I think too, but his lie was suspiciously close to the truth...

How? We don't KNOW the truth. All we know are that illusions are involved. Every other detail is unknown, both to us, O-Chul, and Redcloak.

The fact that illusions were used is given by Shojo during his story, so it's probably common knowledge within the Sapphire Guard. The details--how to defeat it, what sort of illusion, etc.--this is what Redcloak needs, and O-Chul tried to make something up for it.

Remember, everyone knew that the Azure City gate was guarded by paladins; no one but Shojo and Hinjo knew it was guarded by the disembodied spirit of an epic level paladin. That is the sort of detail Redcloak is after, and O-Chul did not give it to him.

[Wyvern_55]

I'm starting to like this whole 'being awake at unreasonable hours thing' another fantastic comic Giant, good show!

[Duric]

I guess sacrificing captives is just as good as minions. But I do not think i solves this problem

[Kaelaroth]

Wonder what is going to happen to the control group?

Squish?

But, yaay Giant! Another great comic.

[Miklus]

I like Redcloak's take on the scientific method, especially the control group.

[Bag_of_Holding]

Fighter for 12 years?! Man, Fighter class is really popular in Ootsverse!

[Shadowcaller]

Originally Posted by Shadowcaller
Wonder what is going to happen to the first group?

Squish?

Yes but what kind of Squish?
The second group might still have a chance thought if Redclock realize that O-Chul dint know anything...or he just throw them in too for fun.

Edit:for the fact that they are now completely useless to him and he don't like humans that much? (hmm that sounded a bit too aggressive..)

[SoD]

I doubt Redcloak would throw them for fun...Xykon, yes, but not Redcloak. He'd have some other reason.

Congrats for getting two up in such rapid sucession Giant.

[Scutatus]

Ochul, being a Paladin of the city, does not know, because the paladins weren't privy to information about the other gates.

He is indeed being the worst lier in the world and just trying to save his city (and those people).

Also, he's making clear references to Indiana Jones (Especially the Last Crusade). So is that likely to be the truth? Very Funny. :D ;)

[Felixaar]

Wow. I believed O-Chul until I saw his expression there. Clearly I didnt put enough ranks in sense motive. Though he may be telling the truth, it seems unlikely giving his later comments. First Page

[dish]

So O-Chul is guessing, and Redcloak won't get any information from him, no matter how many scientific experiments he carries out.

This is getting even sadder.

(Though Redcloak would look great in safety goggles.)

[Catskin]

"The second group is the control group. We'll push them off the other side."

That's madness!

[Shadowcaller]

That's madness!

Madness? THIS IS AZURE CITY!

(sorry could not resist)

[Rheb]

Great comic

[Emperor Demonking]

I was shocked. First I thougfht we found out, then that joke. Brilliant.

[Lycar]

"The second group is the control group. We'll push them off the other side."

That's madness!

Ah but it is much worse then that. It is madness with a method!

Madness is just random but throw in a method and you have a guaranteed disaster.

Also, that is another reason why torture is totally useless as an interrogation method (if your goal is finding the truth at least). Your prisoner will tell you what you want to hear to make the pain stop. Whether this happens to be truth or fiction however, you can't reliably tell. Ever.

Hell, you could make the pope admit being satan in disguise with torture.

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But another thing: If there are now only two more gates left and destroying the last one might cause the snarl to awaken and undo the Oots-verse, maybe that is what the overarching story ark is reaching for? The last gate gets destroyed, for whatever reason, and the world ends. End of story?

Lycar

[banjo1985]

Nice...I honestly believed O'Chuul there for a second.

I guess that says more for my Sense Motive check than it does for his Bluff Skill

[battleburn]

"I wonder if the remaining Gates somehow prevent it from noticing the unsealed rifts now?"

More proof that the MitD is part of the Snarl.

[Surfing HalfOrc]

Hurray for the Scientific Method!

"What, am I running a catch and release program here?"

Hmmm... Charisma as a dump stat... Was O-Chul once a PC?

[SPoD]

"I wonder if the remaining Gates somehow prevent it from noticing the unsealed rifts now?"

More proof that the MitD is part of the Snarl.

Wouldn't Redcloak then KNOW about it? He and Xykon have both seen the MitD without its darkness, I would think he wouldn't be so speculative if he had a piece of it next to him...nor would he be so dismissive of the MitD's abilities.