Canonically, which deity does Jozan worship?

[Frosty]

One of the iconic four, the Cleric Jozan worships which deity? I keep thinking it's Pelor but is it actually stated in the PHB or anywhere else?

[tyckspoon]

I'm almost certain he's Pelorian, although I haven't looked at the actual physical PHB in a while.. check the example character for the cleric?

[Reel On, Love]

He's got Pelor's holy symbol in a bunch of pictures, so I'd say it's Pelor.

[Frosty]

Then WHY in Pelor's name is Jozan casting (and, by extension, Why is Pelor allowin Jozan to cast) Symbol of Pain in PHB p. 291? SoP is a Necromancy [Evil] spell.

[Chronos]

The iconic characters are all the default character starting packages. Jozan is the Human Cleric, Tordek is the Dwarf Fighter, Lidda is the Halfling Rogue, etc.

Edit ^^ Because they re-used the art from 3.0, when all of the Symbols were covered by a single spell that didn't have an alignment descriptor.

[KillianHawkeye]

It is also Pelor in some of the 3E novels (by T. H. Lain) that he is in.

EDIT:

Then WHY in Pelor's name is Jozan casting (and, by extension, Why is Pelor allowin Jozan to cast) Symbol of Pain in PHB p. 291? SoP is a Necromancy [Evil] spell.

That's because that picture dates back to the 3E version of the PHB, where symbol was a Universal [see text] spell. And the "see text" part only referenced certain symbols which were [Mind-Affecting] effects. Thus, 3E symbol of pain was neither Necromancy or [Evil] and any high-enough level Cleric could cast it.

EDIT2: Dang, a lot of people posted while I was doing my first edit.

[Starsinger]

Then WHY in Pelor's name is Jozan casting (and, by extension, Why is Pelor allowin Jozan to cast) Symbol of Pain in PHB p. 291? SoP is a Necromancy [Evil] spell.

Because Pelor is really an evil deity masquerading as the NG god of the sun. I mean it's the perfect cover, because who would really suspect/care that Pelor is evil?

[Turcano]

Then WHY in Pelor's name is Jozan casting (and, by extension, Why is Pelor allowin Jozan to cast) Symbol of Pain in PHB p. 291? SoP is a Necromancy [Evil] spell.

What, you were expecting internal consistency in a tabletop RPG?

[JaxGaret]

Then WHY in Pelor's name is Jozan casting (and, by extension, Why is Pelor allowin Jozan to cast) Symbol of Pain in PHB p. 291? SoP is a Necromancy [Evil] spell.

Because someone at WotC let it slip through without properly checking it first.

[RTGoodman]

Then WHY in Pelor's name is Jozan casting (and, by extension, Why is Pelor allowin Jozan to cast) Symbol of Pain in PHB p. 291? SoP is a Necromancy [Evil] spell.

Maybe he's NN, making him not limited in regards to spells with alignment descriptors?

Actually, I have no idea. Maybe the artist just didn't know the mechanics and just drew the same Cleric as before casting the spell he was supposed to illustrate.

Because someone at WotC let it slip through without properly checking it first.

And that. There are a lot of examples of that, too. For instance, go to Tome of Battle and look at the Ruby Knight Vindicator. The whole class, including fluff and I believe requirements, revolves around the character worshiping Wee Jas. Now look at both the pictures and the sample character - they both are depicted as followers of St. Cuthbert!

[Frosty]

Because Pelor is really an evil deity masquerading as the NG god of the sun. I mean it's the perfect cover, because who would really suspect/care that Pelor is evil?

Although that would be really really fun. Are there any other evidence in support of that hypothesis?

[Decoy69]

So far everyone is right. Canonicly Jozan worships Pelor.
What that means however, is up to your interpretation.

Regarding the theory that Pelor is Evil...

http://forum.zaister.de/viewtopic.php?id=5

[Skjaldbakka]

Maybe he's NN, making him not limited in regards to spells with alignment descriptors?

Clerics of Pelor are restricted to nuetral or lawful good.

[Frosty]

So...

?

[KillianHawkeye]

Clerics of Pelor are restricted to nuetral or lawful good.

Even if they weren't, the alignment restriction on Cleric spells is actually based on the Deity's alignment (in the case of Clerics who worship a particular Deity).

EDIT: Also, Clerics of Pelor can be Chaotic Good as well.

[Skjaldbakka]

Oh right, surprised I missed that.

[Starbuck_II]

Because Pelor is really an evil deity masquerading as the NG god of the sun. I mean it's the perfect cover, because who would really suspect/care that Pelor is evil?

I support this theory: Clerics of Pelor have always been pricks to me just like Pelor. While being a prick isn't evil; it is close to the line.

[Ascension]

Regarding the theory that Pelor is Evil...

http://forum.zaister.de/viewtopic.php?id=5

This is really a very convincing argument. I'm with the above poster... Pelor must be evil!

This will doubtless have stunning effects on the game world as a whole when revealed, possibly causing the transition to 4E.

Ten bucks says it turns out that Pelor is either Asmodeus or a pawn therof.

[de-trick]

http://forum.zaister.de/viewtopic.php?id=5

OMG funny, not making a character worship pelor anytime soon

[mustaju]

OMG funny, not making a character worship pelor anytime soon

I am intrigued by this concept and will try to make a NE-pelor worshipper fpr my next campaign :D

[Frosty]

But how does Pelor grant the Good domain if he's evil?

[tyckspoon]

But how does Pelor grant the Good domain if he's evil?

Epic Use Magic Device check to emulate alignment.

[SurlySeraph]

So far everyone is right. Canonicly Jozan worships Pelor.
What that means however, is up to your interpretation.

Regarding the theory that Pelor is Evil...

http://forum.zaister.de/viewtopic.php?id=5

Hm. That is a very convincing argument on the surface, but it can easily be rebutted by - KILLING THE HERETIC! *Sun Ninjas stab the article-writer and shine blinding light in the eyes of everyone who read it*

[Cuddly]

It's not a good argument; it's a poor argument that uses shoddy logic.

[Cyclone231]

Maybe he's NN, making him not limited in regards to spells with alignment descriptors?

Clerics are restricted to moving one (1) step on the alignment scale away from their patron, and they cannot move towards neutral from good/evil/lawful/chaotic. As a neutral good deity, a cleric of Pelor is restricted to CG, NG, and LG.

To further clarify, a LG deity's worshippers must be LG, and a TN deity's worshippers may be CN, TN, LN, NG or NE.

[The_Snark]

Clerics are restricted to moving one (1) step on the alignment scale away from their patron, and they cannot move towards neutral from good/evil/lawful/chaotic. As a neutral good deity, a cleric of Pelor is restricted to CG, NG, and LG.

To further clarify, a LG deity's worshippers must be LG, and a TN deity's worshippers may be CN, TN, LN, NG or NE.

Not quite; a LG deity's clerics can be Neutral Good or Lawful Neutral. (A deity's worshippers can technically be whatever alignment they like, they just won't be getting divine power. Maybe your NE rogue believes Pelor needs black ops.) Clerics must be within one step of their deity's alignment, and can never be True Neutral unless the god is True Neutral.

[Cyclone231]

Not quite; a LG deity's clerics can be Neutral Good or Lawful Neutral. (A deity's worshippers can technically be whatever alignment they like, they just won't be getting divine power. Maybe your NE rogue believes Pelor needs black ops.) Clerics must be within one step of their deity's alignment, and can never be True Neutral unless the god is True Neutral.

PHB p. 31:
"A cleric may not be neutral unless his deity's alignment is also neutral."

Note how it says neutral, not true neutral.

[The_Snark]

Really? On page 30, under Alignment:

"Typically, a cleric is the same alignment as his deity, though some clerics are one step away from their respective deities in alignment. For example, most clerics of Heironeous, the god of valor (who is lawful good) are lawful good, but some are lawful neutral or neutral good. Additionally, a cleric may not be neutral (that is, neutral on both the good-evil axis and the lawful-chaotic axis) unless his deity is neutral."

Clarification and an example. I'm pretty sure they're only referring to true neutral here.

[brian c]

And that. There are a lot of examples of that, too. For instance, go to Tome of Battle and look at the Ruby Knight Vindicator. The whole class, including fluff and I believe requirements, revolves around the character worshiping Wee Jas. Now look at both the pictures and the sample character - they both are depicted as followers of St. Cuthbert!

That prompted me to get my book and check; the sample character does indeed list "Deity: St. Cuthbert", although I'll point out that the guy in the picture can only be identified as a follower of St. Cuthbert because his name is given as the same as the sample character.

Also, you can't just chalk it up as a minor oversight in the name being wrong; the sample character has the Protection and Destrution domains, both of which are offered by St. Cuthbert and neither of which are offered by Wee Jas.

It seems that they used their own variant idea without being very clear about it. The "Adaptation" section just before the sample character says that you can adapt RKVs to work for different deities, such as St. Cuthbert

[Foolosophy]

Heroes of Horror, page 5

'nuff said