Ctrl+Alt+Del webcomic on 4e

[Zocelot]

I don't know the copywright laws, so I'm not going to post the comic. Heres a link though, it's direct.

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20080609

[bosssmiley]

Cheap and lazy strawman argument? Business as normal at Ctrl-Alt-Del then. They're getting as bad as Shredded Moose (competent art married to lazy commentary and poor humour).

Your Webcomic is Bad... on Ctrl-Alt-Del

[Kazuel]

Cheap and lazy strawman argument? Business as normal at Ctrl-Alt-Del then. They're getting as bad as Shredded Moose (competent art married to lazy commentary and poor humour).

Your Webcomic is Bad... on Ctrl-Alt-Del

I think that's a little harsh, ctrl-alt-del has always been pretty funny. Sometimes it's humor can fall on the other side of crude and low brow, but it's still a decent strip.

[SamTheCleric]

Haha, good comic. Made me chuckle.

[Scintillatus]

Penny Arcade did it first, and funnier, as they say. Mr Franzibald doesn't even know that level 1 characters -can- fight dragons, now.

[Tempest Fennac]

I thought that comic was funny (I never saw the Penny Arcade one, though). The 4th Edition must be poor if people don't even get saving throws to avoid having their brains eaten.

[Learnedguy]

Your Webcomic is Bad... on Ctrl-Alt-Del

Wow, that was probably the worst biased **** I've ever read. What did CAD do to deserve that guys ire?

[Tengu]

It's John Salomon. He breathes poison and his piss is pure arsenic.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Plus, Ctrl+Alt+Del is a dull, derivative comic anyway. It's not even fun to mock.

Take this strip for example. Where's the joke? Seriously. Wow, people violently overreact to a new edition of Dungeons & Dragons? Other people violently overreact back? Wow, what a keen insight, Tim. I'd never have noticed such silliness without your cutting satire.

Alright, alright. It's a little fun to mock.

[Jayabalard]

Penny Arcade did it first, and funnier, as they say. Mr Franzibald doesn't even know that level 1 characters -can- fight dragons, now.

/shrug He claims to have never played D&D ever, 4e or otherwise, so that it's not really surprising that he wouldn't know that.

Cheap and lazy strawman argument? Business as normal at Ctrl-Alt-Del then. They're getting as bad as Shredded Moose (competent art married to lazy commentary and poor humour).

That's not a strawman... there are really are people who come across that way on gaming forums... hell, there are people who come across that way on this forum.

Your Webcomic is Bad... on Ctrl-Alt-Del

That blog is garbage. The lame poo slinging after Sandman's comments are far more entertaining than the "review" itself.

[SamTheCleric]

I think people are just sore because he is lampooning the kind of thing that is going on here with both extremes going nuts.

Take a step back, take a deep breath... and laugh. Its good for you.

[Reinforcements]

Zocelot, you have made me break my nearly year-long stretch of completely avoiding CAD - and I will never forgive you.

[Jimp]

I know that ctrl alt del is one of the worst webcomics out there (in my opinion a least) but that strip was a particularly bad one. You can replace 'D&D 4th edition' with '[any game] [any edition]'. Hooray for template humour!

[Morty]

I think people are just sore because he is lampooning the kind of thing that is going on here with both extremes going nuts.

Take a step back, take a deep breath... and laugh. Its good for you.

No, I think people just don't like the author using two huge strawmen -noone actually acts that way- to make fun of both "sides" of the discussion but failing at being funny in any way.

[Ned the undead]

Remeber that Tim is a newbie at the game table when it comes to DnD. He even mentions on his website that with all the stuff on 4e buzzing around that now looks like a good time to get into it.

[Kurald Galain]

I think that's a little harsh, ctrl-alt-del has always been pretty funny.

Are we talking about the same comic here? CAD has been yawn-inducingly boring and exceedingly poorly written for pretty much its entire run, and the art is nothing special either. It ranks close to DD in my top ten of "worst webcomics ever". Perhaps you should read what YWIBAYSFB has to say about it

Take a step back, take a deep breath... and laugh. Its good for you.

Yes, that's what I read OOTS for it has the advantage of being actually funny.

[Ganurath]

Wow, that was probably the worst biased **** I've ever read. What did CAD do to deserve that guys ire?

It was written by Tim Buckley.

As for the comic's review itself: Arguments against 4e do not work that way! Goodnight!

[Solo]

Are we talking about the same comic here? CAD has been yawn-inducingly boring and exceedingly poorly written for pretty much its entire run, and the art is nothing special either. It ranks close to DD in my top ten of "worst webcomics ever". Perhaps you should read what YWIBAYSFB has to say about it

Is there any webcomic YWIBAYSFB likes?

[Ganurath]

Is there any webcomic YWIBAYSFB likes?

The webcomics YWIBAYSFM doesn't mention?

[Kurald Galain]

Is there any webcomic YWIBAYSFB likes?

Well, yes. Those are the ones he doesn't write about

I also read a lengthy blog post from an actual published author that said that yes, YWIBAYSFD is completely right (if rather tactless). That's because, in designing or writing anything, the moment you stop listening to criticism is the exact moment where you stop improving yourself - and that means that you're either careless or conceited, and neither is a positive trait for an artist.

[Chronicled]

Are we talking about the same comic here? CAD has been yawn-inducingly boring and exceedingly poorly written for pretty much its entire run, and the art is nothing special either. It ranks close to DD in my top ten of "worst webcomics ever". Perhaps you should read what YWIBAYSFB has to say about it


Yes, that's what I read OOTS for it has the advantage of being actually funny.

+1 and a hearty +1 at that.

[Azerian Kelimon]

Penny Arcade is well regarded. Probably.

[Ned the undead]

It was written by Tim Buckley.

As for the comic's review itself: Arguments against 4e do not work that way! Goodnight!

It's not an argument. It's supposed to show frustration at those who are barely giving 4e a chance before bashing it to kingdom come.

[Chronicled]

Is there any webcomic YWIBAYSFB likes?

They've given Dresden Codak a fair enough review, and said that with some work it could be top notch (which is about as nice as they're going to get).

Well, yes. Those are the ones he doesn't write about

This is exactly correct, in YWIBAYSFB's own words. I think their rationale was that otherwise, both YWIBAYSFB's comment boards will be full of people critiquing the webcomics it claims as good, and the YWIBAYSFB haters will go to troll those webcomic message boards. Or that they were too selfish to share, I can't remember .

[elliott20]

CAD is a pretty awful comic. the humor is thoroughly derivative and quite frankly I've never seen a cast of less sympathetic characters in my life. (how it managed to run for so long is anybody's guess)

[RationalGoblin]

Okay, this is what gets me annoyed about that particular strip. It says basically "It isn't good anymore!" Anymore means the person saying that has been playing D&D for a while. Anyone who's played D&D for more then a session or two should know that you don't have to fight dragons in D&D every single session.

[Tokiko Mima]

"Har har Har! 4e is chicken and 3.5e is road! Har har har! Is funny!"

I think the joke was more about annoying reactionary people, and had little if anything to do with D&D editions at all. True it wasn't hilarious, but it was approximately equal to most other CAD comics out there in humorous content. If you didn't like this CAD comic then you probably won't like the rest of them, and vice versa.

[valadil]

Zocelot, you have made me break my nearly year-long stretch of completely avoiding CAD - and I will never forgive you.

*shrug* I appreciate the occasional reminder for why I stopped reading CAD.

[nagora]

Okay, this is what gets me annoyed about that particular strip. It says basically "It isn't good anymore!" Anymore means the person saying that has been playing D&D for a while. Anyone who's played D&D for more then a session or two should know that you don't have to fight dragons in D&D every single session.

You need to read that comic again: it's not saying anything about 4ed at all; it's making fun of a certain type of player.

Perhap's you're feeling over-sensitive about something?

[Tsotha-lanti]

B^Uckley strikes again!

Was there a joke in that comic?

Also, wrong forum.