Creature with the highest CR?

[Roythebattousai]

Highest I've seen is 27, is there higher?

[Tsotha-lanti]

Man you lazy.

I guess you mean without templates and other advancement?

Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon, CR 66.

[monty]

Core only? If not, there's all sorts of crazy stuff like Death (CR 373).

[Spiryt]

Core only? If not, there's all sorts of crazy stuff like Death (CR 373).

I wonder WHO ever spend time on writing something like that. ANd, more importantly, what for?

[monty]

I wonder WHO ever spend time on writing something like that. ANd, more importantly, what for?

Epic campaigns, maybe? I suppose they were trying to make something that actually posed a threat to a level 21 wizard.

[hamishspence]

Dragon mag's highest in 3.5 was Great Wyrm Time Dragon (CR 90)

[RTGoodman]

The think highest CR I can remember seeing in an actual WotC published book was in Dragons of Faerun or something like that - it was that demigod red dragon whose name I don't know, and I think his CR was either 53 or 73. I don't actually have the book, so someone else'll have to check that.

[hamishspence]

Not Dragons of Faerun: Tchazzar the Conqueror is CR 40, as are some others in back of Book, Inferno was also CR 40 (Power of Faerun)

The Creeping Doom was CR 50 (dracolich: Wiz20 Archmage 5) And not statted out.

Some Dragon monsters have been moved to wizards products (or wizards gave out stats to dragon) since Dragon mag steel dragon exactly matchs WoTC steel dragon.

[Frosty]

Core only? If not, there's all sorts of crazy stuff like Death (CR 373).

I don't even know what 90% of those abilities do. Now I wanna see stats for Life.

[FMArthur]

D20 NPCs by challenge rating. It's just a wiki, so most of the stuff on the high-end is probably made up by players, but if you're looking for the toughest foes around, here they are. Ouroboros, the Dragon Lord of Time seems to be the most fearsome, despite some other nasty higher-CR ones, but it's actually kind of surprising not to see Greater Celerity as an at-will ability for a creature who literally is time itself.

[sikyon]

http://www.immortalshandbook.com/immortalshandbook.htm

http://bp1.blogger.com/_CbQVPSTbe3w/...h/IMG_1643.JPG

Edit: note the lack of templates and actually being published

[hotel_papa]

CR 84,431,558, anyone?

Someone statted "A'tuin the Star Turtle" from Discworld

http://d20npcs.wikia.com/wiki/A%27tuin_the_Star_Turtle

Such highlights include:

AC 137,469,003
hp 10,969,646,080
DR 15,234,372/—

Melee Bite +130,023,532 melee (1920d10 + 108), 2 flippers +130,023,528 melee (960d10 + 108)

No, I don't know why.

[Mushroom Ninja]

My absolute favorite high CR creature

[Adumbration]

The sad thing is that it still gets defeated by shivering touch... 25 dex and touch AC somewhere in the minus 4 million.

Any wizards up for some extra XP?

EDIT: Of course, I mean the great A'tuin.

[fractic]

http://www.immortalshandbook.com/immortalshandbook.htm

http://bp1.blogger.com/_CbQVPSTbe3w/...h/IMG_1643.JPG

That text is sooooo stupid.

An Earth sized planet would have about 80000 hit points

Sure...

[edit]: oh and it has an ability called superluminal which makes it move at the speed of light. That's just luminal not superluminal.

[TwystidMynd]

The sad thing is that it still gets defeated by shivering touch... 25 dex and touch AC somewhere in the minus 4 million.

Any wizards up for some extra XP?

EDIT: Of course, I mean the great A'tuin.

Is the range on Shivering Touch greater than 6,666 miles? 'Cuz otherwise old Turtley would snap you before you even got close!

[Adumbration]

Is the range on Shivering Touch greater than 6,666 miles? 'Cuz otherwise old Turtley would snap you before you even got close!

Spot +1. Although the likeliest outcome in real life would be one very flattened wizard, with the A'tuin's fly speed of 152 miles.

[hamishspence]

Star Munchkin answer Planet: 360768HP, "Hull plating": +50, Siz modifier, -64. So, AC = -14, damage reduction = 50/-.

So Munchkin planets are pretty tough, not sure how it compares with d20 Future.

[sikyon]

That text is sooooo stupid.



Sure...

Remember that HP is an abstraction, not an actual percentage of life or whatnot.

[fractic]

Remember that HP is an abstraction, not an actual percentage of life or whatnot.

And every time someone falls down a cliff and takes 20d6 falling damage the earth also takes 20d6 damage. And all those fireballs going of with the earth in the area of effect. Why is the earth still intact?

[hamishspence]

or a percentage of Unit volume, otherwise said planets would have more HP, and the core being both liquid and Iron would make for oddities.

Single flat HP for whole thing makes for cheap and easy baseline for "can d20 super-spaceship blow up planet"

[chiasaur11]

The sad thing is that it still gets defeated by shivering touch... 25 dex and touch AC somewhere in the minus 4 million.

Any wizards up for some extra XP?

EDIT: Of course, I mean the great A'tuin.

Well, there needs to be some way to kill it. Otherwise Death'd never be able to reap it.

So, whadya think Discworld's Death's CR would be?

[hamishspence]

DR 50 might account for falling damage, though not magic damage.

[fractic]

DR 50 might account for falling damage, though not magic damage.

Except stone has only hardness 8. There are simple rules for this kind of thing. Stone has 15 HP per 5ft*5ft*1 inch block. Someone less lazy could do the math.

[edit] But shouldn't. Assigning an ammount of HP to a planet is just silly.

[hamishspence]

which is why a silly source did it. And gave it a rather higher hardness than stone

(if you insist, it can account for gravitational binding energy, and only come into play when attacks are made against whole planet)

[Texas Jedi]

I have always been a big fan of the Klurecher (sp) from the Fiend Folio. I think they have a CR of 27 or so and that was before all of the cool stuff in the epic level handbook came out.

Monster wise I think the great worm prysmatic dragon had an ungodly amount of CR on it.

The only think else I could think of is in the epic level hand book was an adventure hook of a lvl 20 paragon mind flayer sorcerer takes over a small world with his paragon mind flayer buddies. I can't remember exactly how much a paragon adds to a CR of a monster but it could be more than 20.

[hamishspence]

Klurichir was Cr25, Fiend folio was released a while after Epic, and it was revised in Fiendish Codex 1 to CR 18. Maybe it was over-CRd.

rules change was simply to DR in 3.5 update web enhancement.

[Tsotha-lanti]

Monster wise I think the great worm prysmatic dragon had an ungodly amount of CR on it.

Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon, CR 66.

It's still the first page, even.

The epic monster section of the SRD has like 4-5 monster of CR 50+. Hecatoncheires, Devastation Spider, other old dragons...

[hamishspence]

And, if you like, you can advance monsters as far as they will go. Rules might break down a bit though.

[Chronos]

http://bp1.blogger.com/_CbQVPSTbe3w/...h/IMG_1643.JPG

Whoa, that silly Neutronium Golem was actually from a published book? It came up in a thread some time back, and I figured out how to kill it with either a level 21 ranger (at significant monetary cost), or a level 17 wizard (at a cost of 500 XP and a few magic items he could re-use after the battle).

It's extremely difficult to make epic monsters, because you have to take absolutely everything into account. Miss one slight vulnerability, and it goes down like the Hindenberg, to characters well below its supposed CR.