[4e] Star Pact Warlock supplement

[AslanCross]

There's a new PDF on Star Pact fluff and crunch up on Wizards' site.

It's a pretty interesting read, especially since I've always been interested in astronomy. I find it creepy how the Astrolocks might actually being making pacts with world-eating tentacle monsters.

Also:

Prophecy of Deimos
“The world doesn’t end with water, fire, or cold. I’ve divined the coming apocalypse. It ends with tentacles!”

Japanese schoolgirls beware.

[wodan46]

Link plz. Cmon, we're lazy.

[AslanCross]

Linkie.

:P

[RTGoodman]

Hmm... at first glance this looks similar to an article proposal I sent to Dragon about a month or so ago (which sort of combined the 4E Warlock with feats to make him more like the 3.x Binder with daily vestige-based power-switching and such). I guess I never heard back because they were already doing an article expanding on Star Pact Warlock stuff. Oh well. This one looks pretty cool, at least, though I didn't have a chance to read everything yet.

[MammonAzrael]

i haven't looked over all of it, but I'm glad to see they're really giving out some good treatment.

And if I'm reading things correctly, Tiefling characters can now take Warlock Paragon Paths even if they're not Warlocks! Just take the Warlock multiclass feat, then Twofold Pact as your 11th level feat and you qualify!

...right?

[FoE]

Interesting stuff. Some nice fluff, though the spells are a bit repetitive. (Wait ... did I see a spell in there that compels others to tell you the truth? Cool!)

A Star Pact warlock might be fun to play, actually ... you'd have a pretty tenous grip on reality.

[AslanCross]

Interesting stuff. Some nice fluff, though the spells are a bit repetitive. (Wait ... did I see a spell in there that compels others to tell you the truth? Cool!)

A Star Pact warlock might be fun to play, actually ... you'd have a pretty tenous grip on reality.

Well, it certainly interested me the most when I first cracked open the 4e PHB. My current 3.5 campaign has the default 3.5 infernal warlock, while I've heard about others who did Fey. But 4e was the first time I'd heard of the astrolock, so it piqued my interest more than the others.

[Viruzzo]

Also a new Epic Destiny at last! Not one of the best (too defensive for my tastes) but still nice.

And if I'm reading things correctly, Tiefling characters can now take Warlock Paragon Paths even if they're not Warlocks! Just take the Warlock multiclass feat, then Twofold Pact as your 11th level feat and you qualify.

Pact Initiate gives you access to Warlock PPs, it says so explicitly. Still Twofold pact seems really nice, especially for Star Warlocks since they have to specialize in both Cha and Con.

[Blackdrop]

...Woah...

[Charity]

Well there is nothing like contributing intelligently to a discussion.

i haven't looked over all of it, but I'm glad to see they're really giving out some good treatment.

And if I'm reading things correctly, Tiefling characters can now take Warlock Paragon Paths even if they're not Warlocks! Just take the Warlock multiclass feat, then Twofold Pact as your 11th level feat and you qualify!

...right?

Also a new Epic Destiny at last! Not one of the best (too defensive for my tastes) but still nice.


Pact Initiate gives you access to Warlock PPs, it says so explicitly. Still Twofold pact seems really nice, especially for Star Warlocks since they have to specialize in both Cha and Con.

The problem was never that you didn't qualify for the PP. The problem is that to make use of them you needed to have the ability to curse, which this feat still doesn't give you... The one thing the article does give you is a warlock PP that doesn't rely on the curse ability so heavily, so it is halfway useful.

I too like that compelling to tell the truth utility, you could have a lot of fun with that... soon my doppleganger feylock soon...

[Gavin Sage]

Yah know something funny. In the back for epic destiny you can become immortal and it talks about gaining a constellation.

Apparently Raistlin should have taken up as a Warlock and not had to destroy the universe.

[Kiara LeSabre]

I think we finally have an epic destiny that can fully compete in power with demigod.

[Dhavaer]

Something I only noticed when reading the thread on the Wizards board: the feat that increases tiefling's fire resistance isn't just increasing it to +8, it's increasing the bonus to equal level instead of half level. That's a lot of extra fire resistance.

[RTGoodman]

I've just gotten a chance to read over the majority of the article, and I'm impressed. There's some really cool (and really powerful stuff) there. Starfire Womb, for instance, could be GREAT for a Paladin/Warlock (which, coincidentally, isn't a bad combination at all because of aligned stats). You'd basically get to roll saving throws every round since most of your powers would have the Radiant or Fear keywords. Also, the Star Flesh power from the Epic Destiny is REALLY cool - you light everything up AND get a pretty big bonus to defenses until the end of the encounter? Yes, please!

[Blackdrop]

Something I only noticed when reading the thread on the Wizards board: the feat that increases tiefling's fire resistance isn't just increasing it to +8, it's increasing the bonus to equal level instead of half level. That's a lot of extra fire resistance.

That seems really strong. At level 30 you resist fire 43 (5+15 from natural fire resistance and 8+15 for the feat)

Scratch that. It's 23 not 43.

[Dhavaer]

That seems really strong. At level 30 you resist fire 43 (5+15 from natural fire resistance and 8+15 for the feat)

Scratch that. It's 23 not 43.

No, it's 38. 30 from level and 8 from the feat.

[Moose Fisher]

Palalock of Tharzidun anyone?

I'm predicting Wizards will either:
A)Make a 'fixed' version
B)Answer a lot of questions

[Blackdrop]

^^^Exactly^^^

Speaking of Tiefling Palalock, If you took pact initiate as your multiclass and then took Two-Fold Pact, would the second at-will granted behave as the first one?

[ZeroSpace9000]

There's just one thing I gotta comment on. The lvl 19 daily power 'Dark Side of the Moon'. Pink Floyd much?

[Jothki]

Hmm, could you spam Troublesome Aid of Calphon while being healed out of combat?

[Frownbear]

There's just one thing I gotta comment on. The lvl 19 daily power 'Dark Side of the Moon'. Pink Floyd much?

No.

Be a man!
You must be swift as the coursing river,
(Be a man!) With all the force of the great typhoon,
(Be a man!) With all the strength of a raging tiger--
Mysterious as the dark side of the moooooooooooon!

Time is racing towards us,
'Til the Huns, arrive...
Heed my every order
And you might, survive!

[RTGoodman]

There's just one thing I gotta comment on. The lvl 19 daily power 'Dark Side of the Moon'. Pink Floyd much?

Hey, the designers are people, too, despite what some may claim. They have a bunch of references, allusions, and little jokes through-out a lot of books.

I mean, one Warlord power is called "Leaf on the Wind" or something like that, and I can't think that it didn't come from the obvious source. (Serenity, for the uninitiated.) It was that way in 3.x, too - look at the result for (1)00 on the table of "Random NPC Traits and Quirks" or whatever it's called, and then get back to me.

[AslanCross]

No.

Be a man!
You must be swift as the coursing river,
(Be a man!) With all the force of the great typhoon,
(Be a man!) With all the strength of a raging tiger--
Mysterious as the dark side of the moooooooooooon!

Time is racing towards us,
'Til the Huns, arrive...
Heed my every order
And you might, survive!

Somehow, this power actually manages to relate Mulan, Pink Floyd, and a very disturbing mental image. A triumph of pop culture, indeed.

[Tengu_temp]

Since all 4e characters I've seen so far have horrible luck with rolls, especially attack rolls with encounter powers, Sacrifice to Caiphon is a very good feat.

Somehow, this power actually manages to relate Mulan, Pink Floyd, and a very disturbing mental image.

So disturbing just looking at it causes damage!

[ghost_warlock]

Anyone else notice that Student of Caiphon grants a utility rather than a daily attack at 20th?

I expect that to be changed when the .pdf is compiled.

[Adumbration]

There should be one more personality archetype... Someone who not only seeks wisdom and knowledge with enormous disregard for the price you have to pay, but someone who willingly embraces the madness, staring at the stars long into the night, looking for that one glimpse of star turning into an eye. Someone who ... cultivates the madness.

Even though I don't play 4e, I think the next time I play DnD 3.5, I'll play Warlock and re-fluff it into an astrolock.

[Frownbear]

There should be one more personality archetype... Someone who not only seeks wisdom and knowledge with enormous disregard for the price you have to pay, but someone who willingly embraces the madness, staring at the stars long into the night, looking for that one glimpse of star turning into an eye. Someone who ... cultivates the madness.

No, there shouldn't! Let's not ENCOURAGE people to play "LOL I AM SO CRAZY AND INSAAAANE" characters. We all know what happened with Malkavians in V:tM.

[Lady Tialait]

No, there shouldn't! Let's not ENCOURAGE people to play "LOL I AM SO CRAZY AND INSAAAANE" characters. We all know what happened with Malkavians in V:tM.

Yeah, they continued to be part of the Requiem...as Ventrue...*slaps Frownbear with a broken mirror*

[Adumbration]

I don't. What are you talking about?

EDIT: And by the way, I'm not talking about the barking mad ones, they are already described in the pdf. I'm talking about the neatly dressed, meticulous fellers who just enjoy the look of a tentacled star. The ones that think about the green star on purpose, dwelling on it.

[Malek]

Wooo, Twofold Pact <3 Now I can make Infernal pact Life-Stealer and still have Dark pact's Darkspiral Aura for even more Richardness. The rest of the stuff I only skimmed over (Star pact ain't exactly my warlock flavor of choice), but Rending Fear of K-whosisname looks interesting.