I get *one* spell What should it be?

[Frosty]

In a campaign I've been playing in for a long time, I read some wierd ancient artifcat book and it granted me the ability to learn one level 7 (or lower) arcane spell from any school, and any arcane casting class. I'm currently a Beuilger14/Mindbender1. What spell should I take? A fort-save-or-die (like Glass Strike)? A no-save-just-suck (not sure if ther eare any besides Ottos dance and Enervation)? A buff like Superior Resistance (we're in an extremely low-wealth campaign)? What would you do if you have beguiler that has thus far focused on making his save DCs high in order to get those enchantment spells to work?

[insecure]

Disintegrate! It always works when you can't perade/dominate those annoying people.

[kamikasei]

Limited Wish?

[fractic]

Versatility is allways a good thing. Get something you don't allready get from your beguiler casting. You've got plenty save or X spells allready. Get something fun you normally couldn't get.

[edit]:
Oooh limited wish. Me likey.

[Anxe]

Chain Lightning?

[Tempest Fennac]

What does Glass Strike do? Magnificent Mansion could be useful here.

[Frosty]

Glass Strike save Fort-Save-or-be turned into Glass (effectively die). Works on Objects too. By the way, we're in a very, very DEMON-heavy campaign. So I expect tons of spell resistance. Good thing is I already learned Assay Spell Resistance through another way. I also already have Orb of Fire.

chain-Lightning would be BAD in a demon-centric campaign. They are immune to electricity.

[Anxe]

If you're in a demon campaign how about Banishment?

[xPANCAKEx]

What does Glass Strike do?

turns em to glass for duration, fort neg, and applies all damage to them after spell ends. Items they carry left intact

[Kurald Galain]

Shadow Evocation. Mimics a wide variety of spells, and doesn't cost you XP the way wishes do.

[Grynning]

Pretty sure Beguilers can get Shadow Ev. anyways. He's looking for something not on his class list.

[only1doug]

Glass Strike save Fort-Save-or-be turned into Glass (effectively die). Works on Objects too. By the way, we're in a very, very DEMON-heavy campaign. So I expect tons of spell resistance. Good thing is I already learned Assay Spell Resistance through another way. I also already have Orb of Fire.

chain-Lightning would be BAD in a demon-centric campaign. They are immune to electricity.

I agree with

Magnificent Mansion could be useful here.

if you are in a demon heavy campaign then you should take mages magnificent mansion: completely safe rest every night.

[Frosty]

If you're in a demon campaign how about Banishment?

What are you kidding? *Another* Will save or die? And in a school that I don't have Spell Focus on? Will-saves are the LAST thing Beguilers need more of. Good Idea, but the Cleric in our party already it covered.

[streakster]

I like Phantom Steed, myself. But that's just me.

[bosssmiley]

Shadow Evocation. Mimics a wide variety of spells, and doesn't cost you XP the way wishes do.

This, or greater shadow conjuration (wiz/sorc 7) for massive cheese potential.

[Prometheus]

Well if you wanted to be cheesy you'd find a prestige class with a spell-list that would let the "7th" level spell be something you'd be more likely to find in 8th level or the "arcane" spell to not really be arcane at all. I don't know my PrCs that well though.

[Tempest Fennac]

How would Greater Shadow Evocation be that cheesy? Thanks for explaining what Glass Strike does (I still think MMM would be brilliant here).

[SydneyLosstarot]

I'd agree with greater shadow conjuration.

or maybe a Defenestrating Sphere for the sheer fun of it =)

[Saph]

I'd go with Disintegrate. All-purpose obstacle remover, and perfect against undead (which Beguilers hate). However, Superior Resistance is also a great, great spell if you have trouble getting access to magic items.

Elemental Body is lots of fun, too. And then there's Greater Teleport . . . Too many choices, really.

- Saph

[Edea]

Hehe, maybe Body Outside Body, or Giant Size? Or perhaps Arcane Spellsurge. Celerity's another choice (level 4), but the dazed part afterwards gets a bit annoying.

[Emperor Tippy]

How often can you cast this spell? And is it just like learning a regular spell or are there any other things (Is it an SLA for instance?) that might be nice to know?

[Eldariel]

Others have already said it: the chance to learn Limited Wish isn't something you wanna skip. -7 to save (one of the best ways to take down Dragons is Limited Wish to drop its saves, then Assay Resistance its spell resistance and bring the beast down with a SoD), healing, resurrection, blasting, fort save-or-die, utility, anything you need for a manageable cost (300xp means you won't be spamming it, but it'll be a small price to pay for saving an ally, preventing TPK and overall just doing everything Beguiler quite can't do).

[Mr.Bookworm]

Howabout Wages of Sin, 6th level, from the BoED?

Causes 1 evil creature per level to attack it's allies.

If you don't like it, I second Limited Wish.

[Jack_Simth]

Howabout Wages of Sin, 6th level, from the BoED?

Causes 1 evil creature per level to attack it's allies.

If you don't like it, I second Limited Wish.

Which, incidentally, can DO Wages of Sin....

[Frosty]

How often can you cast this spell? And is it just like learning a regular spell or are there any other things (Is it an SLA for instance?) that might be nice to know?

The spell is added to my spells known as a level 7 spell. As a Beguiler, I can then spontaneously cast it as long as I have level 7 spell slots left.

I'd go with Disintegrate. All-purpose obstacle remover, and perfect against undead (which Beguilers hate). However, Superior Resistance is also a great, great spell if you have trouble getting access to magic items.

Elemental Body is lots of fun, too. And then there's Greater Teleport . . . Too many choices, really.

- Saph

Yes, there ARE WAY too many choices. But I've decided against damage spells. I've already got an Orb of Fire that I can empower, so there's no point in getting Distintegrate which gives a SAVE.

Others have already said it: the chance to learn Limited Wish isn't something you wanna skip. -7 to save (one of the best ways to take down Dragons is Limited Wish to drop its saves, then Assay Resistance its spell resistance and bring the beast down with a SoD)

This is a very good point. Does the enemy get spell resisteance when I try to give it -7 to its next save?

[Emperor Tippy]

This is a very good point. Does the enemy get spell resisteance when I try to give it -7 to its next save?

Prolly. Ask your DM, the rules are sorta ambiguous.

[Eldariel]

Limited Wish does allow Spell Resistance, so very likely. That said, you've got Assay Resistance and plenty of spells per day, so profit.

[fractic]

Limited wish allways has spell resistance even if you are mimicking the effects of another spell. Under save and such it's says see text but under spell resistance it just says yes. No see text or anything.

[Animefunkmaster]

Wizard List:
Acid Fog: No save, No spell resistance, they just suck and take damage.
Greater Teleport: I always liked the teleport line of spells.
Force Cage: No save, no sr, just stuck, long duration... cost money every time you cast though
Simulcrum: Tired of charming people... make a buddy.


Bard List:
Greater Shout: damage, multiple status effects, the downside is two saves. But it is an auto deafened which may drop there initiative (depending on dm)
Irresistible Dance:No save or suck... hard. The best part is the dancing. Low duration though.

Depending on if there is a wizard in the party: Contingency, Greater Dispel Magic, or antimagic field may be a good choice. If this where me I would go with either Acid Fog or irresistible dance. Something about no save/screwed spells that make me very happy.

[CASTLEMIKE]

A great utility spell is Summon Monster 7. You can Summon a Movanic Deva from the Fiend Folio which can Raise Dead for free. Other useful spells like Commune, Etheral Jaunt, Hallow and Planeshift has bunches of other spell like abilities.

With SM7 and reviewing a Summoning Thread you can get a lot of spell like abilities from summoned monsters without losing any experience in the process. Make a few 3 by 5 cards and you are set.

Edit: Check out the Malconvoker link below at WOTC for the Summon Moster Spells where the SLAs are listed at the end of each Summon Monster III+ in the thread:

http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=13677754


Greater Shadow Conjuration could be interesting.

Despite the experience point cost Limited Wish would provide a lot of spellcasting utility in a pinch.

Any Spell Greater could be useful with a little planning if you could get it.

Possibly the Adept Heal since it is a hypbrid class blending arcane and divine.