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2008-09-02, 07:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Most powerful buff in the game
It is the Instill ability of the Kensai. A 10th level kensai can transfer 10 points of his BAB and 10 points of all his saves to an ally.
Now imagine the Frenzied Berzerker being thus buffed by the Kensai...
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2008-09-02, 07:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most powerful buff in the game
Now imagine shapechange!
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2008-09-02, 07:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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I thought it was Manipulate Form...
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2008-09-02, 07:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most powerful buff in the game
So at level 16 you can give up all your BAB and/or Saves in any combination as a noncaster. Then what?
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2008-09-02, 07:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-09-02, 07:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most powerful buff in the game
Pre-Epic, that is the best form of BAB booster in the game. It also offers the highest bonus to saves (again, pre-Epic) from a single source.
But it is far from great. I'd say the best buff in the game is Fortified Persistent Delay Death. Barring that, only Totemist Soulmelds even come close to that kind of power.
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2008-09-02, 07:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most powerful buff in the game
Hmm, That versus Shapechange or Superior Invisibility?
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2008-09-02, 07:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Astral Projection.
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2008-09-02, 07:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most powerful buff in the game
Your all wrong, at that level I would say a Draconic polymorph would be tah owange~
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2008-09-02, 07:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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"Come play in the darkness with me."
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2008-09-02, 08:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most powerful buff in the game
a level 21 wizard is immune to all forms of damage or effects that he deems negative, or even "not positive enough." He also kills whatever he looks at, destroys its soul, and banishes its dusty remnants to the personal lair of Asmodeus. That's the best buff in the game; the end.
(although Manipulate Form works too, but since you have to use it many times I don't think you can count all the things it does as one buff)Last edited by Dr Bwaa; 2008-09-02 at 08:04 PM.
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2008-09-02, 08:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most powerful buff in the game
Well, it's one of the only two ways I know to get BAB higher than 20, and the other requires an Epic Cleric using Divine Power. Extra iterative attacks has to count for something... right?
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2008-09-02, 08:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-09-02, 08:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-09-03, 12:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most powerful buff in the game
No, the Epic Level Handbook notes that the epic attack and save progression is never applied to racial hit dice, so certain monsters with more than 20 racial hit dice can have BAB of 21 or higher, and then explicitly caps iterative attacks at four no matter what your BAB is.
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2008-09-03, 12:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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I like your epic guy in your siggy for one reason: RAMOS' WARD VS ANNOYING MAGIC: immunity to Antimagic Field, Disjunction, Wish, Reality Revision, Limited Wish, Bend Reality, Energy Transformation Field, Spell Engine, Vitriolic Sphere, Greater Whirlwind
Anyway, on topic: Does timestop count as a buff?
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2008-09-03, 01:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most powerful buff in the game
Personally I'd design that ward a bit differently now, but I had rather less experience with high epic play back then and it was also made by a different party member.
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2008-09-03, 01:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Celerity? Makes Wizards go first, always.
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2008-09-03, 02:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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I just liked the name, not really the effect. I would have chosen more/different effects.
Btw your BAB is completely off.Last edited by BobVosh; 2008-09-03 at 02:39 AM.
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2008-09-03, 04:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most powerful buff in the game
Most powerful buff spell?
Karsus' AvatarLast edited by bosssmiley; 2008-09-03 at 04:56 AM.