OOTS #599 - The Discussion Thread

[Traker]

Mybe it would take control of a gate. But I can't see it leting the other it go.

[hamishspence]

Or, to quote the Giant way back in Roy's trial: "Using Chaotic means for Lawful ends strikes me as Neutral"

Which is not the same as Evil means for Good ends, which, according to numerous D&D sourcebooks going way back to 1st edition, Evil.

[Starbuck_II]

Or, to quote the Giant way back in Roy's trial: "Using Chaotic means for Lawful ends strikes me as Neutral"

Which is not the same as Evil means for Good ends, which, according to numerous D&D sourcebooks going way back to 1st edition, Evil.

Nah, I think Roy hadthe right idea. But that it is a universal rule:

If you use X for Y you get Z.

If you use evil means for good ends than it is neutral.

If you use good means for for evil ends then it is neutral.

[hamishspence]

Check 2nd ed DMG, 1st ed DMG, and 3.5 ed Exalted Deeds, Fiendish Codex 2, champions of Ruin, and others. There is a long standing tradition in D&D that, no matter how altruistic the motive, an evil act cannot be changed to Neutral by a Good motive. The traditional example is burning a plague-ridden village to save the rest of the kingdom.

The point to be made is the Deva said: Lawful/Chaotic. That can work, but not Good/evil.

EDIT: However, how evil an act needs to be to pull you out of Good into Neutral, tends to depend on the DM, though Fiendish Codex 2 had a rough guideline. The aforementioned villiage-burning was, in old editions considered bad enough for immediate alignment change from Good to Evil.

[Taljen]

Mybe it would take control of a gate. But I can't see it leting the other it go.

Wait, what gate?

[Monsterknuffel]

V won´t disappear for long imo. Maybe 10-20 strips ?
But my feeling toward this comic isn´t rather good right now too.

No real plot advance, it´s somehow just the preparation of the preparation of the preparation of a plot advancement for a quite long period now. No success with ressing Roy, no success in finding Haley, no idea how to counter the MotJ.
I hope it will change soon, they are now close to their goals ( Haley found a guy who knows a cleric who maybe can ress Roy, V maybe gets some new ideas/powers how to find the others, ....

At least a small ray of hope would be nice. Ok we had a small one with Kubota, but that has nothing to do with the Order itself.

The latest comic is quite nice; to see V getting nuts following its own "logically correct" way.

[brilliantlight]

That isn't how becoming a lich works.

If V is level 13 and becomes a Lich, it won't make him a Lich 4 / Wizard 9, it'll make him a Lich 4 / Wizard 13, he won't GAIN Wizard Levels until he gets the experience to become an 18th level character, but he wouldn't -lose- anything (well, in the long run he would...)

Unless the DM uses Savage Species rules which I would do.

[Throknor]

V won´t disappear for long imo. Maybe 10-20 strips ?

10-20??? This one night from Elan et al has been 19+ strips so far,

RE: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0581.html

and that's just from the rendezvous! That night started around nine strips earlier:

RE: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0573.html

[goodyarn]

No real plot advance, it´s somehow just the preparation of the preparation of the preparation of a plot advancement for a quite long period now. No success with ressing Roy, no success in finding Haley, no idea how to counter the MotJ.

IMHO success =/= plot advancement.

If your protagonists fail, get desperate, take a fall, hit bottom, then have the humility to take a hard look at themselves, pick themselves up and come back wiser and stronger, that's plot advancement.

I think the Giant knows what he's doing.

[Demon Slayer]

Since we are using the dark side so much, the order of the stick is reminding me of star wars episode 3. But not all of it just the fact it's falling apart.

[Demon Slayer]

Also (I know this isn't related but) I wonder if Haley has enough gp to get a true resurrection due to the fact they do not have Roy's skeleton any more.

[David Argall]

Haley seems to have the needed funds at the moment. However, she still needs to get the 17th level cleric, and she seems to need to destroy the Rolem.

[Demon Slayer]

Haley seems to have the needed funds at the moment. However, she still needs to get the 17th level cleric, and she seems to need to destroy the Rolem.

True to that but I'm going to assume a Rolem is Roy + Golem= Rolem

[Ardolich45]

"Go to hell, Imp."

/V's four words suggestion

[Drakiin Magis]

Soo....anyone got any predictions for what will happen on 600?

[innk]

Soo....anyone got any predictions for what will happen on 600?

Something that will mess up even more with the story i believe

[heroe_de_leyenda]

Soo....anyone got any predictions for what will happen on 600?

I think we are done with predictions now...
We need the update very, very badly!

[Traker]

Wait, what gate?

Any that are not destroyed.

[DougTheHead]

"Go to hell, Imp."

/V's four words suggestion

How would that allow V to gain ultimate power? Generally, if you want to get really really powerful, you need to do more than dismiss the people who are in a position to give it to you. And an imp (or any spiritual being, for that matter) would be in an ideal position to provide V with ultimate power... for a price. Which is why I'm guessing that V decides to help the imp in exchange for ultimate power, for "all the wrong reasons," as the prophecy says.

Soo....anyone got any predictions for what will happen on 600?

V's four words, whatever they end up being.

[Somber Requiem]

I see the four words as "I accept your offer."

Hope we find out...

[Eorek]

I'm personally looking forward to the whole team getting back together. I'm missing the comedy aspect

[CommandoBunny]

Well I'm new at this forum.
And I like The Order Of The Stick allot.
Lately though after the death of Roy, it seems that the comics has lost some
of its DnD touche.
no dungeon,
no spotchecks,
no traps an no random encounter.
I really wish that the team will get back together.
Don't get me i REALLY LIKE the comics it was just better the old way.

p.s.
V' is my favorite character and i cant stand seeing him/her go.

[Selene]

Actually I thought the episodes preceding and the one episode immediately following the musical episode were pretty good. It just all went to heck after "Tabula Rasa".

Even the worst Buffy episodes are better than most shows that are on now.

[Heroic]

Awesome comic. Can't wait for the 600th.

[Shadic]

Am I the only one today who loaded GITP up, saw a new comic, and then was like.. "Oh, it's Erfworld."

[Forealms]

Am I the only one today who loaded GITP up, saw a new comic, and then was like.. "Oh, it's Erfworld."

No. No, you are not.

[synnerman]

Arg, please please don't let the fatal four words be.

Spoiler

Show

You have a deal.

this has probably been mentioned as a possibility a bunch of times, but heck, after reading the comic again I can 't help but think that could be it.

[Ninja]

just got my net back after a month.... comics are great.....

[Murphoid]

The four words were already said. They were "Disintigrate. Gust of Wind." Remember when V was discussing writing in her spellbook and arguing that the one word of the spell couldn't possibly take up four pages in her spellbook. That was just to hammer home the point that the spell is one word so that the four words could be immediately noticed.

[Murphoid]

Well I'm new at this forum.
And I like The Order Of The Stick allot.
Lately though after the death of Roy, it seems that the comics has lost some
of its DnD touche.
no dungeon,
no spotchecks,
no traps an no random encounter.
I really wish that the team will get back together.
Don't get me i REALLY LIKE the comics it was just better the old way.

p.s.
V' is my favorite character and i cant stand seeing him/her go.

Sometimed in D&D the dungeons and the dragons are noticably lacking, but that doesn't make it any less D&D does it? I have played in games where the adventure took place on land and on water for at least a few session in a row.

I too wish that the team would get back together soon. But perhaps it's a case of you can't go home again. We haven't heard from Haley for a long while. Perhaps that plot has just been written off? There are always some loose ends at the end of an adventure.