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2008-10-16, 04:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Weighted Dice
So, I got a 1-pound bag of randomized dice for my birthday over the summer; including a little bit of everything, from inversed d4's to a blank d6 and percentile. However, I'm pretty sure that at least one of the dice in the grab bag is weighted. Is there any official way to determine this?
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2008-10-16, 04:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Weighted Dice
Hold it between thumb and index finger on opposite corners and spin it. It shouldn't wobble. Works better if you don't use your fingers but something that produces less friction.
Also dropping it repeatedely in a glass of water.
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2008-10-16, 04:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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...gyroscope?
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You can also roll it three to four hundred times, recording the results of each roll, then averaging. It should be close to (die size + 1)/2.
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2008-10-16, 04:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Weighted Dice
Roll it a couple thousand times and record all the rolls, see if it comes up with 1 number significantly more often than the average.
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Roll it 10000 times and see what the standard deviation is.
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how would a gyroscope NOT help? It's a gyroscope!!! Those things have mad skillz, yo.
weighted vs. filed down: does it weigh physically more than another die? Or are the angles of the die weird on one side?
if you sand down one side then redo the 20, you can get this. Do the numbers look good or crappy?
If there's a ballbearing in the die... let me know where to get one, as it'd come in handy for my GMing to have better control when I absolutely need to fudge. (PCs shouldn't fudge, but GMs are expected to, y'know?)Grrr. Arrrgh.
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It's actually a d12, of all things. The dice are from Chessex in the completely awesome Pound o' Dice. One die has the paint chipped away around the "1" and I can clearly see where the weight is. There's another one like it, but the paint hasn't chipped away there, so I wanted to test it out. I suspect that they both are, since they roll differently from a normal d12. They don't flounder near the end, like the usual 12-sider does.
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2008-10-16, 05:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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I thought that was how casinos tested dice? They mount them in the middle a gyroscope and spin it, and it will wobble or something if it's not balanced? The earlier reply of holding opposing corners and spinning it is the same principal... but worse for many reasons, not the least of which is the lack of gyroscope.
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2008-10-16, 05:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's how a casino does it allright. But that's not a gyroscope.
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2008-10-16, 06:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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I say don't get rid of the weighted die, weight all the other ones to different random values.
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Yeah, I'm aware of what a gyroscope is. I am, however, saddened by the implication that there is no removeable-dice-core version of this contraption.
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2008-10-16, 06:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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You could do that, or you could just buy or use a different die, I hear they're pretty cheap these days...
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2008-10-16, 07:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Or you could just watch them as they roll. Weighted dice roll funny and curve off in odd directions because their center of gravity isn't where it should be. Roll them each a good distance a couple of times on a flat surface, and if you can't seem to roll consistantly in a straight line, it's probably weighted.
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2008-10-16, 09:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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If you can see the weight, it's weighted.
The question though is whether it's weighted enough to matter. I think a chi-square test is your best bet though, not looking at the average. Roll it 50 times per side (so 600 times for a d12), record the number of times each comes up, and plug the result into a chi square test. Your expected number of results is 50 times for each number.
Here is a chi square tester:
http://www.physics.csbsju.edu/stats/...uare_form.html
Your number of items is 12 for a d12, the X01, X02, ... are the number of times the result came up, the E01, E02, ... are the expected number of times (in this case, 50 for each, though you can use any number really, the more you roll the more sensitive the test will be).
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There's an easier way to tell if your dice are biased. Buy some epsom salts, and dissolve them into a bowl/glass of hot water. This increases the density of the water and causes the die to float. Drop the die in, and watch which face floats to the top. The heaviest end of the die will sink towards the bottom.
Unless you're using casino dice, pretty much all plastic dice are going to show a bit of a bias, because the shape and density of the plastic is going to be a little different in each die. Some of the solid dice may even have air bubbles inside that you can't see. This is why transparent dice are supposed to be "fairer", although even transparent dice can have differences in shape and density. When I did this, I was surprised to find that my oldest 20-sider that I'd had since junior high was biased toward the number "16"... which may not be a bad side to be biased toward.
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Definitely X-rays.
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