OOTS #603 - The Discussion Thread

[unithom]

He said "within the year", and gives us the aside this is in comic time. This seems to mean Belkar had only about 4 months left, but that won't end until at least January our time.

573 says it was about a week from Oracle to Greysky. So we have a total of 2-3 weeks. Still not a huge portion of 4 months, and so the odds do favor Belkar surviving this situation, but...

I've seen people draw parallels between events (new year, etc) in-comic and do the math, but the bottom line is, comic time will always be totally subjective. If The Giant needs to pack more strips into the same amount of time (or gloss over a few weeks with a single line) then that's what'll happen.

[Cizak]

Love it ^^

[gamephil]

Hey, first post.

Btw, anyone think Celia's reference to her not being able to be raised is a bad sign?

It's certainly possible, but it's also possible that, aside from the Giant following the game's rules for the situation, it's simply an excuse to make Haley stand against the horde on her own.

[kinch]

How exactly does this "outsider" thing work?
Anyone care to educate someone relatively ignorant on the D&D front?

[Mc. Lovin']

Hey, first post.

Wow, you were ninja'd by 272 people! (yes I know what he meant)

[David Argall]

The figure is closer to 27,200. He was meaning his first post, not the first post on a thread.

[heroe_de_leyenda]

How exactly does this "outsider" thing work?
Anyone care to educate someone relatively ignorant on the D&D front?

"outsider" is a creature native to other planes of existence. All of the events in oots happen in the Material Plane. When someone from the material plane dies, his soul goes to an afterlife in another plane and his soul can return to the body with magic. But outsiders, who are born in one of these other planes, can't be raised from the dead because their soul does not depart from their body to anywhere else.

[Mc. Lovin']

The figure is closer to 27,200. He was meaning his first post, not the first post on a thread.

Wow, you were ninja'd by 272 people! (yes I know what he meant)

[mousemaster3]

Haley!!! You da girl!! Oh gosh, I so hope that like Rich will safely bring everyone out alive like he always sorta does !! WOOT

[ABfilmz]

man belkars the best hes like awsome hes a shoeless god of war!!!

[holywhippet]

Wonder if Crystal has a potion of Fly or something?

Doesn't Crystal have levels in the prestige class assassin? If so, Haley could be in a lot of trouble. She will most likely have invisibility as a spell - all she needs to do is trigger it, sneak up to Haley and unleash a high damage sneak attack.

[gamephil]

Wow, you were ninja'd by 272 people! (yes I know what he meant)

I do believe I have the appropriate response.

[Kelthuzad]

Haley is going to PWN the thieves guild

[TheNovak]

Doesn't Crystal have levels in the prestige class assassin? If so, Haley could be in a lot of trouble. She will most likely have invisibility as a spell - all she needs to do is trigger it, sneak up to Haley and unleash a high damage sneak attack.

That's very true. And as the Giant's description of the OotS's second fight with Miko shows (hooray for the return of the Class and Level Geekery Thread), she's not really built for fighting strong melee opponents. Plus, she'll be in cramped quarters, giving her limited maneuverability even against enemies that can't instantly kill you if you fail a save.

[B. Dandelion]

Crystal's not too smart, though. Is it possible she's like Belkar and can't actually cast spells?

[factotum]

That's very true.

Is it? Haley described Crystal as an assassin in OtOoPCs, but since we have at least one example (she-who-shall-not-be-named) who was called a samurai while not being a member of that class, there's no guarantee Crystal is actually a member of the Assassin prestige class either.

[RMS Oceanic]

And in an argument with Haley in Origin of PC's, Crystal declared her intent to use "Death Attack" on Haley, so she's definately taken some levels in assassin.

[Scatman]

Of course, now, we must now stop talking and realize that Crystal is actually Miko reinacarnated into the past. But in seriousness, my guess is that she actually does have assassin levels.

[David Argall]

Haley is going to PWN the thieves guild

Haley is in hiding because she knows the thieves guild will PWN her. There are a variety of ways Haley might survive this, but they amount to run and hide. She tries King Kong tactics, she's going to be the one shot down.

[AWM]

I don't know if can take out the whole guild by herself, perhaps she can do enough damage to halt an all allout attack for a few rounds.

Perhaps the guild plans on taking her alive for some reason or another?



-awm

[David Argall]

About the only reason the guild might take her alive is that the plot requires it. On the evidence before us, they just want her dead.

[elvenmath]

Who thinks the next OOTS update'll be Halloween?

(And if this was a different sort of comic, I'd say it would be a prank comic...)

[DBear]

Haley can get away with King Kong tactics vs. the thieves' guild mooks because of the Conservation of Ninjutsu. Haley vs. Crystal, on the other hand...

[holywhippet]

"outsider" is a creature native to other planes of existence. All of the events in oots happen in the Material Plane. When someone from the material plane dies, his soul goes to an afterlife in another plane and his soul can return to the body with magic. But outsiders, who are born in one of these other planes, can't be raised from the dead because their soul does not depart from their body to anywhere else.

At level 20 a monk is also classified as an outsider. They can still be raised from the dead though, it's more that they transcend normal mortality than become a native of another plane.

[Prowl]

Almost a full week with no OotS update... havin' serious withdrawal symptoms here

[Shadic]

About the only reason the guild might take her alive is that the plot requires it. On the evidence before us, they just want her dead.

Crystal wants to kill her, so yeah.

[courtjester]

Maybe someone can explain this - is the giant's "smilies" that he chooses for the discussion threads related to the comic, how he is feeling at the time, or is it directed to some misfeasance/malfeasance in a comment of the thread?

In other words, there is an angry red face right now on the Giant's message - is this related to Old Blind Pete? something else?

- confused jester

[Jimorian]

Maybe someone can explain this - is the giant's "smilies" that he chooses for the discussion threads related to the comic, how he is feeling at the time, or is it directed to some misfeasance/malfeasance in a comment of the thread?

In other words, there is an angry red face right now on the Giant's message - is this related to Old Blind Pete? something else?

It's always related to the comic itself in some way. He used the red-faced one for Elan going after Kuboto for example, and now for Haley going into fierce battle (and probably a little outrage at the betrayal).

[ShadowDragoon]

Wait, since Celia is an Outsider that was Summoned to the material plane... doesn't that mean that if she's "killed", she's really just returned to her home plane? I'm pretty sure outsiders are only able to truly be killed on their home plane of existance. I mean, they might not be able to summon Celia back for a while, but it's a lot better than her just up and dying, right?

[Punoqllads]

Wait, since Celia is an Outsider that was Summoned to the material plane... doesn't that mean that if she's "killed", she's really just returned to her home plane? I'm pretty sure outsiders are only able to truly be killed on their home plane of existance. I mean, they might not be able to summon Celia back for a while, but it's a lot better than her just up and dying, right?

Summon spells bring an outsider to the material plane for a fixed amount of time (rounds per level, usually), after which the outsider returns. Spells like Gate create a portal that allows an outsider to physically journey to the material plane, without a time limit for them returning. Summoned creatures that are dropped to 0 hit points, like you say, merely return to their home plane, but gated-in creatures can actually die.