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2012-06-16, 05:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Contingency - There when you need it?
No, no, you misunderstand. I won and that's all that matters.
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2012-06-16, 05:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-06-16, 05:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Contingency - There when you need it?
Contingency: teleport myself to a safe place several miles away. If I'm asleep I'll probably wake up in the process.
Most people see a half orc and and think barbarian warrior. Me on the other hand? I think secondary trap handler and magic item tester. Also I'm not allowed to trick the next level one wizard into starting a fist fight with a house cat no matter how annoying he is.
Yes I know it's sarcasm. It's a joke. Pale green is for snarking
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2012-06-16, 05:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-06-16, 06:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Contingency - There when you need it?
=>Vilpich
SpoilerI can imagine a Demilich that is so paranoid all he does is make contingent spells all day everyday for his contingencies... Cmon, I'm sure even Schrodinger's Wizard's can't even accomplish this without going insane I mean sure you can propose that the Wizard mindraped all of Thay into crafting contingencies for him all day everyday but... That would imply that a Wizard failed his save which everyone knows is impossible... So a Wizard cannot have contingencies for everything because they cannot have contingencies for there contingencies and those contingencies cannot have contingencies and so on till the end of days...
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Larloch, The Shadow King (w/ Ioun Stones) avatar by Iron Penguin
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2012-06-16, 06:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-06-16, 06:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wait what? You're attempting to outsmart a wizard by not fighting him at his best, but get all high and mighty over him using a basic move from his skill set to trump your plans? It's not even you specifically. Sleeping in rope tricks is simply a good defensive idea.
Most people see a half orc and and think barbarian warrior. Me on the other hand? I think secondary trap handler and magic item tester. Also I'm not allowed to trick the next level one wizard into starting a fist fight with a house cat no matter how annoying he is.
Yes I know it's sarcasm. It's a joke. Pale green is for snarking
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2012-06-16, 06:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-06-16, 06:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-06-16, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Contingency - There when you need it?
Lemme link it before he does... I thought of that already ah well...
I'm curious what kind of action it is to snatch the rope into the window as well otherwise a Scroll of Dispel Magic boots the Wizard out of his little hole xDLarloch, The Shadow King (w/ Ioun Stones) avatar by Iron Penguin
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2012-06-16, 07:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Contingency - There when you need it?
Is it any kind of big deal due to expensive components or some lack of experience? If so eschew materials. If not you either keep few spells around that require materials, keep non magic pouches around for just such an occasion with the main bulk of cheap, everyday stuff in the same bag of holding you keep your loot in, or if you're really intelligent put an exploding rune on the same bag. I like option three because it harms the thief and wakes everyone up.
Most people see a half orc and and think barbarian warrior. Me on the other hand? I think secondary trap handler and magic item tester. Also I'm not allowed to trick the next level one wizard into starting a fist fight with a house cat no matter how annoying he is.
Yes I know it's sarcasm. It's a joke. Pale green is for snarking
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2012-06-16, 07:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-06-16, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Contingency - There when you need it?
We'll seeing as there is listed action to pull the rope into the pocket dimension its not possible. Meaning I can still dispel the rope thus forcing you of the pocket dimension...
On a sidenote: Wave do you mind linking me to the pbp thread you started a while ago... (Devil's advocate if that gives you any ideas)Last edited by Arcanist; 2012-06-16 at 07:36 PM.
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2012-06-16, 07:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Contingency - There when you need it?
You can take actions out of combat quite easily actually. Further dispelling the thing beforehand leaves you with an entire party awake and ready to disarm you and then use your daggers as suppositories. Yes I'm vindictive with thieves trying to murder me and take my stuff. What of it?
Most people see a half orc and and think barbarian warrior. Me on the other hand? I think secondary trap handler and magic item tester. Also I'm not allowed to trick the next level one wizard into starting a fist fight with a house cat no matter how annoying he is.
Yes I know it's sarcasm. It's a joke. Pale green is for snarking
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2012-06-16, 07:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-06-16, 07:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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I also like the assumption that there isn't any watch schedule being kept by the party at all. Seriously NO ONE ever takes precautions while camping in a world where random lions can show up out of seemingly nowhere when on a journey and bandits are actually a thing.
Most people see a half orc and and think barbarian warrior. Me on the other hand? I think secondary trap handler and magic item tester. Also I'm not allowed to trick the next level one wizard into starting a fist fight with a house cat no matter how annoying he is.
Yes I know it's sarcasm. It's a joke. Pale green is for snarking
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2012-06-16, 07:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-06-16, 07:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-06-16, 07:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-06-16, 07:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-06-16, 07:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-06-16, 07:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Eh rogues lose most of their combat capability without sneak attack damage which is useless once everyone is awake and aware. Heck the fighter could probably kill him. Also standard party is usually five to six. Technically you don't need eight hours of sleep. Just eight hours of rest. Give the wizard first watch and have him tell his familiar to fly overhead while he waits in the rope trick. Rather elaborate, but an effective watch made without breaking spell recovering rest.
Most people see a half orc and and think barbarian warrior. Me on the other hand? I think secondary trap handler and magic item tester. Also I'm not allowed to trick the next level one wizard into starting a fist fight with a house cat no matter how annoying he is.
Yes I know it's sarcasm. It's a joke. Pale green is for snarking
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2012-06-16, 07:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-06-16, 08:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Contingency - There when you need it?
Further in order to do this we assume you're tailing the wizard. As in following him around. You've even mentioned going for days just to study him. That means you have to go unnoticed by him, his familiar, and most probably anything he's fighting because they don't know you aren't together. Just think of all the hide and move silently checks.
Most people see a half orc and and think barbarian warrior. Me on the other hand? I think secondary trap handler and magic item tester. Also I'm not allowed to trick the next level one wizard into starting a fist fight with a house cat no matter how annoying he is.
Yes I know it's sarcasm. It's a joke. Pale green is for snarking
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2012-06-16, 08:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Contingency - There when you need it?
From the text of rope trick:
"Those in the extradimensional space can see out of it as if a 3-foot by 5-foot window were centered on the rope."
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"The window is present on the Material Plane, but it’s invisible, and even creatures that can see the window can’t see through it."
So if you've pulled the rope in, the rogue can't see where the window is unless he has see invisible, and he still can't see through the window even if he does.Last edited by Augmental; 2012-06-16 at 08:08 PM.
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2012-06-16, 08:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-06-16, 08:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Contingency - There when you need it?
1) A rogue will most likely have a way to get see invisibility if he's tailing a wizard.
2) He's watching the wizard, he saw him set up his camp.
Remember that this is a rogue who knows about the wizard's contingency, so we can assume he has a way of figuring these things out and that the wizard is more than just a random target.
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True, but he will have to come out eventually. And the rogue might not let him even cast Rope Trick next time, he might just attack.Last edited by Wavelab; 2012-06-16 at 08:13 PM.
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2012-06-16, 08:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Contingency - There when you need it?
Got a Wizard fanboy to admit they can fail... Color me shocked
When your faced with one of the largest threats in the entire multiverse a mere 750gp is a drop in the bucket (We're assuming we're playing with 9th level WBL and since the Wizard decided to spend it all on focuses for his/her contingencies... Kind of a bad idea... a really bad idea in the long run)
I must say I really did find the idea of performing a x amount of free actions to steal all the Wizard's stuff quiet hilarious
+12 ranks +5 Dex + 15 custom magic item (22,500gp) + Skill Focus (SoH) +3 +2 Synergy bonus +2 (deaf hands) and now I can literally roll a 1 still succeed in jacking all your stuff
Blur/Displacement has no applications here since no attack roll is being made, There are no rules against using skills on invisible subject, Of course now comes the question of how do I kill the Wizard? Well I've already spent about 23,250gp (15,750gp of my WBL) so I could simply take the skill trick mosquito bite and use the trusty poisoned dagger (Bebilith Venom is a personal favorite, cheap and its effective) Of course this attack would be vulnerable to Blur/Displacement... Ah well... I've had better dreams
And if worst come to worst he performs a skill check through your invisible (yet interactive) window and SoH's the rope out (all of this as a free action, assuming that pulling the rope is even an action) and uses a standard action to dispel magic your rope (This dispel check being +10 due to the item being made at 10th caster level)Last edited by Arcanist; 2012-06-16 at 08:20 PM.
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2012-06-16, 08:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Contingency - There when you need it?
So... Schrodinger's Wizard isn't legit, but Schrodinger's Rogue is? Because an Alarm and a Rope Trick are rather simple precautions at this level.
Also, I assume there isn't an action for pulling the rope into the space because it's pulling up a rope. There's already an action for it.
So... one surprise round could down a warblade whose only weakness is not being in a stance, because the cleric healed him with any leftover spell slots before bed? Seriously, he's not fatigued, he's not out of maneuvers, and his hit points are full. And then there's the cleric, whose DMM Persisted Divine Power lasts until the morning. And the party's rogue. And this is all after the rogue found the extradimensional space without tripping the Alarm, knew there was an Alarm, successfully Dispelled both spells, and got up into the extradimensional space. All to steal the focus to prevent the wizard from using Contingency.Last edited by Hiro Protagonest; 2012-06-16 at 08:24 PM.
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2012-06-16, 08:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Contingency - There when you need it?
Schrodinger's Rogue vs. Schrodinger's Wizard. One has the perfect spells for all occasions. The other, the perfect magical item. Who. Will. WIN?
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