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2013-10-11, 02:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IV- It's like a sandwich made of RAW failure!
Praying for spells at dusk seems mainly a flavor thing. The fact that it results in a necessary adjustment of game play to avoid hitting against the 8 hour spells rule seems dysfunctional.
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2013-10-15, 07:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IV- It's like a sandwich made of RAW failure!
Telepathic bond is not mind-affecting, so you can slap it on a treant, a ghoul, or an inevitable with no difficulty whatsoever.
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2013-10-15, 10:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IV- It's like a sandwich made of RAW failure!
It doesn't seem that dysfunctional. You could argue that it's more like giving someone a magic cellphone then trying to actually affect their mind.
After all, Sending isn't Mind Effecting either.
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2013-10-15, 11:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IV- It's like a sandwich made of RAW failure!
So, I was reading through Tome of Magic looking at random stuff when I found this -
Disciple of the Word (p 216)
Monk Abilities: A disciple of the word adds her class level to her monk level to determine her ... flurry of blows penalty...
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A disciple of the word does not count her class levels for the purpose of determining when she gains any other monk class features, such as reduced penalties for flurry of blows attack rolls ...
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2013-10-15, 11:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IV- It's like a sandwich made of RAW failure!
Sending, though, doesn't (from what I'm reading) indicate anything about a mental message or whatever. It could just as easily be the magic cellphone effect, perhaps evoking your words to come out near the target or what have you.
But telepathic bond, for all that it's Divination, is obviously meddling directly with its subjects' minds. So that's just baffling to me.Projects: Homebrew, Gentlemen's Agreement, DMPCs, Forbidden Knowledge safety, and Top Ten Worst. Also, Quotes and RACSD are good.
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2013-10-16, 12:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IV- It's like a sandwich made of RAW failure!
So are you arguing that it is a RAI dysfunction? By the RAW, even creatures with immunity to certain conditions can be affected if willing (by dropping their immunity), and telepathic bond only affects willing creatures.
I don't think this is the thread for RAI dysfunctions, though.Blank 3.5 Character Creator Iron Chef Style Tables (in Google Sheets)
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2013-10-16, 12:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IV- It's like a sandwich made of RAW failure!
I'm with the RAW dysfunction here, since the basically-equivalent psionic version, mindlink, is Telepathy [Mind-Affecting].
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2013-10-16, 12:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-10-16, 12:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-10-16, 07:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IV- It's like a sandwich made of RAW failure!
Quoth Fax:
Read the text of the spell. They are virtually identical, barring target quantities (and mindlink has an augment that lets you manifest it on an unwilling creature, so...).Time travels in divers paces with divers persons.
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2013-10-16, 10:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-10-16, 10:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IV- It's like a sandwich made of RAW failure!
I'm not aware that you can lower immunities. SR has an explicit exception.
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2013-10-16, 10:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IV- It's like a sandwich made of RAW failure!
This could be a stupid question, but where does it say you can lower immunity. I know that you can lower spell resistance and that some cases of immunity explicitly give exceptions or allow you to willingly take effects. But I can't find a general rule for immunities that don't explicitly say anything.
Edit: ninja'd by several minutes. wait, I remeber a discussion about the definition of getting monk'd, this might fall into that.Last edited by NeoPhoenix0; 2013-10-16 at 10:34 AM.
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2013-10-16, 12:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IV- It's like a sandwich made of RAW failure!
No Monk'd is like Ninja'd only you miss by hours, if not days. The worst I've seen was 2 1/2 years, thread necromancy was involved obviously.
π = 4
Consider a 5' radius blast: this affects 4 squares which have a circumference of 40' — Actually it's worse than that.
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2013-10-16, 12:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IV- It's like a sandwich made of RAW failure!
Well, if you're mindless, you can't do much of anything, beyond what you're instinctively programmed to do, and Telepathic Bond would pick up a blank, anyway.
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2013-10-16, 04:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-10-16, 04:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-10-16, 05:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IV- It's like a sandwich made of RAW failure!
That is very informative, thank you.
You are thinking of lowering spell resistance, which is a standard action to lower and remains lowered until the start of your turn. You need to lower it every turn if you want to keep it down.
Based on PH pg 177, creatures with "special resistance" can just chose to not use it. Unless you can find a more specific rule for immunity.Extended signature (Includes Giantitp regulars as... links, avatar showcase, homebrew, and other stuff.)
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2013-10-16, 05:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-10-16, 06:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IV- It's like a sandwich made of RAW failure!
I'm not sure this is a full on dysfunction, but it does fly in the face of reason.
Intimidating Strike is a standard action so you can't use it on a charge.
Aren't charges meant to be intimidating ?π = 4
Consider a 5' radius blast: this affects 4 squares which have a circumference of 40' — Actually it's worse than that.
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2013-10-16, 11:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IV- It's like a sandwich made of RAW failure!
for vermin and oozes this sounds indeed wrong, but I can see golems and other mindless constructs to have received such instructions.
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IV- It's like a sandwich made of RAW failure!
Originally Posted by SRD; magic overviewLast edited by NeoPhoenix0; 2013-10-17 at 12:32 AM.
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2013-10-17, 12:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IV- It's like a sandwich made of RAW failure!
Additionally being mindless is not a special imunity to magic, it is being an invalid target for mind-affecting abilities. Just as you cannot dominate a chair, you cannot dominate a mindless creature.
If however an intelligent creature somehow acquired immunity to mind-affecting abilities, it could suppress that immunity.