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2014-06-17, 06:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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How to hide?
If you have Hide in Plain Sight from dark template, can you hide in the open (provided there are shadows)? And darkstalker
GM says that since hide requires concealment of some sort, and Hide in Plain Sight doesnt override that. Then you can be seen as long as long as you arent hugging a corner?Last edited by Renen; 2014-06-17 at 06:35 PM.
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2014-06-17, 06:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to hide?
So say, I am behind a corner, and have to pass a T intersection that a guard is watching. If I make a hide check behind my corner, and then try to sneak past intersection, can the guard see me (assuming he fails spot check)? Because if he can just because i am trying to sneak past a hallway without carrying a tower shield, then it makes me sad. And lets say I stop in the intersection because my movement ran out.
I have a few options I think might be RAW:
1) Guard sees me because no concealment
2) Guard makes a spot check, but has to beat me to see me. If he doesnt, he cant see me until my turn starts, at which point I cant hide because no concealment.
Thoughts?Last edited by Renen; 2014-06-17 at 06:58 PM.
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2014-06-17, 07:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to hide?
There are two kinds of Hide in Plain Sight - the Supernatural one like what the Shadowdancer has (which allows you to hide without concealment or cover, as long as you have a nearby shadow) and the Extraordinary one like the Ranger has (which lets you hide while being observed but still required cover or concealment).
If you have to pass a T-intersection a guard is actively watching, and there is no concealment to be had (such as darkness) then Extraordinary HiPS will not help you, and neither will Darkstalker.
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2014-06-17, 07:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to hide?
Hide in plain sight this way works as if you are using the shadows for your cover.
Your DM might have to set a limit for how small the shadows can be to avoid "I hide in the shadows on this blade of grass huehuehuehuehue" but overall it should work out just fine.
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2014-06-17, 07:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to hide?
This IS the EX version. So that means that unless I carry a tower shield around, things can see me as long as im not near a corner or in REALLY deep darkness.
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2014-06-17, 07:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to hide?
Hide in Plain Sight bypasses the "not being observed" requirement to use the Hide skill. Beyond that, you need cover/concealment in your hiding place. If the shadows aren't enough for the DM to grant a 20% miss chance for anyone in the square, then you don't have enough concealment to be allowed to use the Hide skill.
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2014-06-17, 07:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to hide?
As you are presumably using the ToM version of the Dark template, I don't suppose that you have the option of switching to the Cormyr: Tearing of the Weave version (which has a Supernatural HiPS ability that explicitly obviates the need for cover/concealment)?
Last edited by Karnith; 2014-06-17 at 07:25 PM.
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2014-06-17, 07:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to hide?
Are you talking about the Ex version of it only? Because the Su version from the shadowdancer has the whole "As long as she is within 10 feet of some sort of shadow, a shadowdancer can hide herself from view in the open without anything to actually hide behind."
Or even then do you need the shadow to grant concealment? Because if so, it kinda loses the point doesn't it?
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2014-06-17, 09:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-06-18, 11:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to hide?
Bonus question about silly RAW: Does your equipment hide with you? (I thought i read somewhere it vounts as "you") or do you have to hide naked?
Note the "silly raw" statement
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2014-06-18, 11:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-06-18, 12:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to hide?
Yeh...
Does your equipment prevent you from dying like that?
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2014-06-18, 12:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to hide?
It's a known "dysfunctional rule". When you hide, your equipment hides with you. Also, Total Cover hides you without the need of a hide check. So when you use your Tower Shield to get Total Cover, you hide, and so does your shield! Which means you're 100% hidden when behind your tower shield.
Last edited by heavyfuel; 2014-06-18 at 12:46 PM.
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2014-06-18, 12:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to hide?
So by raw you can hide but your equipment is still visible? Trololo
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2014-06-18, 12:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-06-18, 02:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to hide?
By RAW? O.o
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2014-06-18, 03:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-06-18, 09:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to hide?
Quoth Flickerdart:
There are two kinds of Hide in Plain Sight - the Supernatural one like what the Shadowdancer has (which allows you to hide without concealment or cover, as long as you have a nearby shadow) and the Extraordinary one like the Ranger has (which lets you hide while being observed but still required cover or concealment).
If you can only have one or the other, the ability to ignore the concealment requirement is the more significant. Once you're hidden, the "not being observed" requirement is trivial, since nobody is going to observe a hidden creature. In the example of that T intersection, a ranger 13 could sneak past without a problem (provided that it's a natural environment) even though he doesn't have HiPS. HiPS really only becomes relevant if you're attacking from hiding, and even then, you can remain hidden even while attacking by taking a penalty to the check (admittedly a fairly high one, at -20, but you can optimize past that).Time travels in divers paces with divers persons.
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2014-06-18, 09:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How to hide?
Get yourself some kind of persistent concealment, and the version of HiPS you have will work just fine. Blurring armor, a rock with darkness cast on it that you take out of a pouch when needed, a smoking weapon, various and assorted spells - there are a lot of ways to pick up concealment.
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