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2019-03-01, 10:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
Raise dead gives two negative levels and resurrection one, which means that Durkon lost three levels from these deaths.
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2019-03-01, 10:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
What?
"The subject of the spell loses one level (or 1 Hit Die) when it is raised, just as if it had lost a level or a Hit Die to an energy-draining creature. "
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/raiseDead.htm
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2019-03-01, 11:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-01, 01:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
It probably is over. The Azurite new year is "a few months" after the Northern one. So, maybe March or so.
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0302.html
A few days at most lapse between this, and the end of the book. And one week has gone by since the end of Blood Runs in the Family.
So we're looking at about 4 weeks till the Azurite New Year. Since the Northern New Year, which is what's numbered, is "a few months before", it's safe to say that it's already been and gone, and we are at least a month or more into 1185.Marut-2 Avatar by Serpentine
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2019-03-01, 01:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
Given that the Northern continent is the "default Medieval Western Europe trope land" that would make sense. Most calendars developed in places with seasons tend to start the year in Spring, because that make sense. Heck, the Romans used to do it too, which is why October is "the eight month" despite being, you know, the tenth one.
The Romans moved the start of the year to mid-winter because they needed to run elections for consul every year and as their wars went further afield, the time it took for the new consuls to join the troops started to seriously cut into campaign-in-good-weather time. After the change, they ran elections during winter (which is a miserable time to be out and about warring) and have consuls ready to lead the troops by the time they left the winter quarters.
So, I'm guessing that in OotS something similar happened: a few worlds ago, the Northern gods decided to move their start of year to mid-winter for whatever reason, and then they simply never put it back to a logical place, because momentum (I mean, I suppose it might have been something that a Northern kingdom did in this world, but it feels more like the kind of thing that would be carried into the world than something that gets reinvented every time).
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2019-03-01, 11:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
I imagine this has been gone over, but why don't we have an upper limit for Xykon's caster level from Durkon's successful dispel in 429? Is the upper limit so low that we have to ignore it and assume houserules?
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2019-03-01, 11:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-02, 04:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
If Xykon was level 22 at the time, the DC to match would be 33, and if Durkon was level 13, and rolled a 20, he would get 33.
So, it's theoretically possible for a level 13 Durkon to dispel a level 22 Xykon's spells. That said, a level 22 Xykon is kind of problematic.Marut-2 Avatar by Serpentine
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2019-03-02, 09:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
I always assumed Redcloak cast the Greater Invisibility spell, in order to resolve that problem.
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2019-03-02, 10:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
Also, Xykon says he controls the zombie dragon, but wasn't it Redcloak who Animated it?
SRD mentions it "remain[s] under your control indefinitely"
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2019-03-02, 11:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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First panel. Panel 12 shows it starting to flap its wings, so it's definitely RC animating the dragon.
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2019-03-02, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-02, 03:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-02, 06:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
Well, maybe Xykon cast it from a scroll or something. Sorcerers have a limited number of spells known and maybe he just doesn't have it. I sure don't remember him using it himself.
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2019-03-03, 12:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
Fair enough, although I wanted on the record that I consider The History of Rome podcast a better citation source than Wikipedia. After all, for all you know, I went into the article the moment after I made my claim to edit in my position.
(OK, you could check the history and see I did no such thing, but I'm fairly positive you didn't do it before I mentioned it in this post)
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2019-03-03, 12:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
Probably Cleric 5+, since he's a full-fledged vampire instead of a spawn, but then again we hardly know if he has other levels in say, Fighter, or a prestige class.
For some reason I thought #995 mentioned he had 7th-level spell slots, but it just says "high-level spell slots", so meh.
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2019-03-03, 04:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-03, 08:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
Eventually someone is going to create a secondary thread to track all stats of any character about whom we can deduce anything at all.
If it weren’t to much work (and probably against board rules) someone would probably already have made one to track most likely stats (rather than what we do, which is track min/max provable/possible, within some semi-defined rules of plausibility). Well, except for the part where you’d never achieve agreement about what’s most likely...
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2019-03-04, 02:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
Pathfinder negative levels from being raised are just like being level drained and can be cured with restoration.
D&D negative levels from death are permanent.
The pathfinder authors considered falling behind your party due to death/raise was stupid, and made the incapacity temporary. I've had a lowish level character in Pathfinder killed, spent most of his wealth getting a raise and had to endure the level loss for a couple adventures until he could afford the more expensive material compents for two restoration spells. (it's expensive if you pass the 24 hour period in pathfinder). Once you can afford the restoration+raise in one go (level 9ish) then death is mostly just expensive.
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2019-03-04, 02:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
And largely meaningless, IME.
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2019-03-04, 02:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
Xykon is a necromancer. He animates lots of things in Start of Darkness. Presumably one of his spells known is one of the larger create undead spells.
Edit: Command Undead is a level 2 sor/wiz spell which would give a sorcerer of Xykon's strength the power to seize control of just about any size zombie, with full "dominate" level of control and no saving throw.
That's almost certainly how it was done since as another poster has mentioned, Redcloak is shown doing the animation.Last edited by Seward; 2019-03-04 at 02:32 AM.
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2019-03-04, 02:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
At level 9, death goes from "seriously a problem until you scrape up the cash and find a high level cleric" to "this is a serious hit to our wealth by level".
By level 15ish, the way Hilgya behaved is fairly accurate. It is about as expensive as buying a "Fly" potion back at level 5, so as long as it isn't your high level cleric that is dead, it's a "fill an empty slot and cast" or at worst "rest and regain spells" kind of situation. At L15 getting one of your expensive items destroyed is much more serious than getting a party member killed.
By epic (say level 24), you can rebuild an adequate gear set out of petty cash, and a henchman can cast true resurrection any time you fail to respond to a daily Sending. You care much more about your reputation than anything else on your character sheet.Last edited by Seward; 2019-03-04 at 02:39 AM.