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Re: OOTS #1173 - The Discussion Thread
Gonna have to get the army up and running if they ever hope of slaying a tree that big for a new table.
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Re: OOTS #1173 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-08-01, 01:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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When someone uses the rules to abuse, use the rules right back and beat them at their own game. A great idea Giant.
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She's getting better at this, last time she ran.
My money is on her surviving this book, and vampirism infestation becoming something of a long-term-but-not-apolyptic problem for the Dwarven Lands* thus fullfilling the prophecy to "bring death and destruction for us all".
*She may not be high level enough to cast Malack's vampirization acceleratorForum Wisdom
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2019-08-01, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1173 - The Discussion Thread
"In accordance to" - i.e. "as per the rule"
You do realize that all British royalty is coronated upon the Stone of Scone, right? I.e. Pratchett is making a reference, as he is wont to do?
Scones are very Scottish (I hear), which of course makes them quite dwarven, on the basis of the "dwarves are scottish" trope, which is in effect in OotS.
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It wasn't decades, at the time that the OotS started, Durkon was much lower level, 4 sendings at once is a high level cleric's action. Per class and level geekery, Durkon was level 8 at comic's start. Which was less than 2 years ago in comic, and much closer to back at Azure City. At that point sending was one of his highest level spells.
Assuming that he was leveling while adventuring with Roy, he'd almost certainly been able to cast sending for only a short time when the comic started.
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2019-08-01, 01:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Durkon said earlier that he prepared 4 Sending spells when Tarquin captured Roy because he's been using the spell to talk to Sigdi once a week. (I read 1152 for unrelated reasons earlier today)
My thoughts on the matter were that he prepares Sendings on a day of the week where he's not expecting to fight too hard, and if he's wrong he can just convert the Sendings into healing spells.
As for his dead Grandpappy, it's possible that Sigdi didn't tell him, but it's also possible she did and the High Priestess of Thor just didn't know.. We never saw him be sad because his Grandpappy died of (double) liver failure; as he told Malack, dying of alcohol-based diseases/illnesses technically counts as an honorable death.Last edited by HalfTangible; 2019-08-01 at 01:40 PM.
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2019-08-01, 01:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1173 - The Discussion Thread
Well, we have another problem then. Durkon hit the roof with the hammer, breaking through to daylight above. They first had to take valuable time to fight through the front gate, past whatever guardians and counter measures were there, to get into the chamber where Durkon could attack the ceiling, turning to stone in the process.
They could have circumvented all of that by simply breaking the ceiling from the surface, and Durkon would still be his fleshy self.
But, that I will give to Durkon being a dwarf and not thinking about the surface. And he probably didn't tell the rest of his party what the final portion of his plan was for Roy to point out the alternate route.
Except the rules don't say "unbroken by the strictest defintion." It says "unbroken." A table that is unbroken by any definition satisfies the requirement. Make whole is valid.
Edit: Also, take exception to the idea that this is the "strictest" definition. "Un" does not mean "never." It means "not." A door that is unlocked was not never locked before. A knot that comes undone was not never done. In fact, for it to have been undone, that implies that it was done at some point.
Hitting something with a hammer you hold in your hand might risk casualties, but dropping a giant boulder right in the center of a group of people is safer?Last edited by Deophaun; 2019-08-01 at 01:46 PM.
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2019-08-01, 01:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1173 - The Discussion Thread
In fairness, the Sudden Skylight Hypothesis has been around for a fair but at this point, even before we saw the Council Chamber on screen.
My two cents on the meaning of "unbroken": It might get a bit too deep into the silly back and forth even for this comic, but I can totally imagine this sequence of events:
- Ex-Exarch repairs the table.
- Before voting can resume, the representative of Clan Cobalt points (as many of us has) out that "unbroken" might mean "has never been broken" not just "is not currently broken"
- The Council Leader calls for a vote on this interpretation of the rule, phrased along the lines of "Does 'unbroken' mean 'has never been broken' regardless of how undetectable the repairs?"
- The dominated members start to mindlessly vote "Yes." By the time the vampires realize what's happening and try to give them new instructions, there are too many Yesses and Durkon's impromptu masonry-based legal hack stands.
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2019-08-01, 01:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1173 - The Discussion Thread
Just a note on the "why aren't the rules written on Durkon's accent debate: the Scottish accent is specific to Durkon's clan. (Notice that none of the other elders speak with it. Nor does Thor.)
Why would they write the rules for the Council of Clans (plural) in a region-specific dialect?
Also, I'm willing to bet they don't just leave the vampires to loiter around the council chambers.Last edited by Giggling Ghast; 2019-08-01 at 01:55 PM.
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I think it's time to have a big group hug under the sunlight... With the vampire
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Still no. The big difference is the goal. They wouldn't be trying to die in that scenario - they would be trying to save the world, with the side-effect that dying also frees their souls from slavery (win-win.)
In any event, it's a moot point - this could only arise if the Godsmoot results in a completely hung jury that must somehow be resolved prior to the thing with Xykon that is forcing the question in the first place. Somehow I doubt that's what ends up happening.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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You're so focused on suicide that you're overlooking the other potential outcome of such an assault. If the Dwarves succeed in the assault they'll have played a major role in saving the world. An honorable death just becomes the consolation prize for any dwarves who happen to die in the process.
Sometimes a goal is so important that it's worth risking even certain death to achieve it.
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She still has at least four at the moment - the Exexarch, Curly, Nameless and the Frontarch (the last at the Godsmoot. One presumes that the tome of rules for that also forbids killing another High Priest the moment the moot ends)
Well, Roy himself points out that even if THIS vote sticks with "save the world", there's still every chance they have another vote if it looks like the Snarl's going to get free. Hel(l), Loki actually argues that as part of his defence of the world (saying they'll have enough time to zap it if things come to it, might as well give the worms one more shot).Last edited by Reboot; 2019-08-01 at 02:11 PM.
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The guy who expects to break the huge table...
Except that, even if he is able to locate the precise area outside which is directly over the Council Hall, how could be sure about where to hit in order for the debris to fall over the table and not over some Council member, unless he was inside the room?Each one of us, alone, is but a drop in the sea
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I guess Durkon knows more about mortal laws than divine ones, otherwise he wouldn't have been so surprised at Durkula's use of Control Weather to beat Thor's storm.
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That.
How about this then - the time it would take a group of dwarven bureaucrats like the ones before us to come to a consensus on what "unbroken" actually means in the statute, is probably close to if not even longer than the time it would take for them to just replace the table, and thus the point is moot. Work better for you?Last edited by Psyren; 2019-08-01 at 02:09 PM.
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So, would you describe this door as unbroken: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0400.html