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2019-08-26, 11:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
So do we have to re-evaluate everything Loki said to Hel (or indeed, anyone who isn’t Thor) due to his incapacity for honesty? This also raises the odds that he is stringing his clerics and followers along, actually. Maybe Loki’s followers don’t go to Valhalla at all.
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2019-08-26, 11:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-08-27, 12:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-27, 12:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
It was definitely still a deception. She asked for Durkon, and he led her to a dangerous vampire that just happened to be driving Durkon's corpse with Durkon's soul riding shotgun without an ounce of warning - and a bad saving throw meant she and her baby almost died in the process. Seems pretty in keeping with Loki if you ask me.
And miss another chance to rub it in the faces of Thor's followers? No, I very much believe the "cool lounge upstairs" is a thing.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2019-08-27, 12:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-08-27, 12:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
Like discworld's small gods? Could be. But the original theory was that gods may decide to not get involved with a world to protect their identity from being changed by believe. And even if you burn fuel slowly you still burn fuel and your decision to not get involved means you intentionally starve yourself to death. Also you decide to stay small and if being a small god means you are part of a mindless mass of energy you don't really have much of an identity so it would defeat the original point.
He doesn't sacrifice her. If the plan succeeds the world won't end so there's no more risk of her starving to death between worlds and no further risk of the snarl escaping and killing everyone including Hel. So it's for her own good, really.
True, it would keep her malnourished and miserable. But Loki didn't get her in that position to lock away the snarl. So no sacrifice there.
The only thing he is now sacrificing is her scheme to grab supreme power. If the plan fails and the world end's without her plot succeeding it might kill her, but risking her life is not the same as sacrificing her.
So it's not that he doesn't want her to die in vain - he doesn't want her to die period.
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2019-08-27, 12:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-27, 01:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
Thor mentioned they failed to save the souls a few times too. Presumably some of the lesser gods starved those times, and the resulting follow-up world had to be smaller in scope.
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2019-08-27, 02:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
Actually, what he did was lead her to a group of people who had as much interest in killing the vampire containing Durkon's soul as she did, which is realistically the best he could have done. If she hadn't been there then the Order would likely have lost to Durkula's minions, and good luck on her ever getting her desired revenge in that case.
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2019-08-27, 02:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-27, 02:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
Is it flimsier than giving dwarves that drank themselves to death a pass on the honor thing?
The weak, the ones at the bottom, the ones, as you said, backed into a corner replace power with flexibility. And possibly ruthlessness and a specific type of nastiness...
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2019-08-27, 02:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-27, 05:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
Yeah, no. I mean, I acknowledge Belkar's getting better: He hasn't done any worse then Chaotic Neutral this whole book. But neither has he truly redeemed. Even moving his needle to CN would require some noticeable acts of repentance, and he's still taken the first shaky step down that road.
The point I was making is that, clearly, the relationship between belief and god ain't a one-way street. The mortal's beliefs about the gods change them. PLus, Loki made it pretty clear he doesn't give a **** abot this world, adn would totally be down to kill everyone, were it not for a new opportunity. Plus, ya know, he condemned hundreds of Dwarves to Hle out fo boredom, so...Also, H only convicned Durkon to his own lack of Know: Religion, and the Order only held off on killing her because, ya know, she has Durkon's kid strapped around her neck.
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2019-08-27, 05:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-27, 05:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's probably important to note that the funny thing about professional liars is that it's hard to know when they're telling the truth, even if they say it's the truth.
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2019-08-27, 07:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Great writing, as per usual.
Typically this extremely funny comic is at its best when thing get deadly serious. It's the sign of a great story which doesn't just lean on jokes and gags.
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2019-08-27, 07:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-08-27, 07:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-27, 07:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-27, 08:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Language informs culture which informs language, all of it wrapped up in a snuggly blanket of environment and change. Philology does an interesting thing as it explores how story, song, culture/heritage, and language are intermeshed. It has taken me a long while to begin to appreciate how philology fits into all of this, but a recent book I read about tying together proto Indo European Languages, the Wheel, horses, and the movements of people got a few things to click as I read through a critical analysis of Tolkien's deep themes in the updated edition of Splintered Light and the influence of Owen Barfield's ideas on the fragmentation of ideas through language, or through linguistic evolution/change.
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2019-08-27, 08:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
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Well, the main thing I'm taking from this strip is that Durkon is not going to be perma-stoned for the rest of the comic's run. If Thor is putting his faith in Durkon, this implies that Durkon will have to be un-stoned. They'll either reconvene and properly adjourn the meeting, or they'll find some way to Break Enchantment Durkon out. I think the first. If the dwarves were setting up security procedures I'd expect it to require epic-level magic to dispel. Xykon could do it, and Vaarsuvius in ultimate arcane power mode. But I don't think it's going to be done short of that.
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2019-08-27, 08:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-27, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-27, 08:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
"Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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2019-08-27, 08:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-27, 08:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
Given or not, Pendell has previously expressed the hope that Durkon would be essentially written out of the final book of the OotS saga by dint of having him remain in statue form.
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2019-08-27, 08:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-27, 09:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
well, that at least some loki's followers end up in hel's domain was confirmed a few strips ago
"hardly any of these are mine anyway"
now this could mean that these one's strayed from loki's path to get there, or it could mean that loki barely has any followers amongst the dwarves and those that follow his teachings end up with hel