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2019-08-27, 02:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
So, basically:
When pinneapples were discovered by Europeans, the english world for "Pine Cone" was "Pineapple". They called pineapples that way because they resembled pine cones, who were called pineapples back then.
The etymology is the same in Spanish. I'd say the english got it from us as we discovered pineapples before them, but I'm uncertain.
Ananas comes from the native guarani world for the fruit. Some french dude who lived in the middle of the XVI century, for some reason thougth it was a good idea to found a french colony in Brazil in blatant violation of the Treaty of Tordesillas. A french missionary who lived there learnt the world from the natives while studying the local flora. After the colony got burnt to the ground by the portuguese, he got back to Paris and wrote a book about his exploits, and so the word was introduced to the french language. From there it spread to many european languages. (By the way, the portuguese word for pineapple, "abacaxi", also comes from guarani, meaning "plant that cuts").
And now we are a bit more cultured and will never be able to eat a pineapple again without thinking about this thread.
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2019-08-27, 02:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sorry, I forgot a "do" in my post. It's easier to think of a horned horse when seeing Elasmotherium than when seeing a rhino. Because of the fur.
It should also be noted that the criterion for "horse-like" seems to have been runs on all four in ancient times. This observation based solely on "swamp horse" hippopotamus.Last edited by Fyraltari; 2019-08-27 at 02:45 PM.
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2019-08-27, 02:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Because it was not uncommon for artists to simplify their life and not have to deal with perspective by having the horns be behind one another. So a creature with two horns was represented as having a single one. And the Greeks, not having seen the original, might have seen this and called it monoceros.
Thus spoke Asimov, anyway, on an essay about the creation of unicorns.
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2019-08-27, 02:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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If you ever need to remind yourself against prescriptivism, open a book on semantics sometime and look into quantifiers such as “every,” “all,” “some,” and so on. Even in regular language, “every” doesn’t always mean “every last one in the cosmos.” Quantifiers have a scope (which is sometimes maddeningly vague). “Every student passed the exam,” for instance, clearly delimits the scope to those students who (possibly recently) took the exam, but not all beings now or ever described as students throughout all of past time.
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2019-08-27, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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I remember that. Now, a pineapple cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Gimme five bees for a quarter," you'd say. Anyway, the important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have any white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
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2019-08-27, 03:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think it's important to note that it's totally possible to find the villains cool and fun to watch, but still acknowledge that they are evil. Darth Vader is cool and confident, but he's definitely the bad guy. Loki in the Avengers is hilarious and dangerous at the same time, and it's fun to wonder what he's plotting, but you still want the heroes to overcome and win.
Bad guys always get the best costumes and the coolest lines. And I think to some extent they almost have to start out better/cooler/stronger/smarter than the heroes, because that way the heroes can't just curb stomp them. They need to be something to be overcome, and that leads to a lot of characters that are bad people but fun to watch.
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
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Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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They move to late night and then to Sirius radio (HS as an example)
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@Jasdoif: as I read the IFCC, Hel may be part of the problem, not part of the solution, even though their real target is the good gods.Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2019-08-27 at 08:14 PM.
Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2019-08-27, 05:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
The calendar OotS uses is based on some great kingdom's founding, it doesn't correspond to the world's founding or the technology level accurately (think Chrono Trigger's Guardia calendar being based on Guardia's founding).
The calendar is 1184~5 years old, but the world itself is probably a couple thousand years old based on Thor's comments.
Regardless, unless the bet is broken she will die one way or another (bet being broken includes smashing this world and immediately building a new one)An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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2019-08-27, 05:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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The (Northern) calendar dates from the founding of That Kingdom. No idea how things are numbered for South and West.
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An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
See my extended signature here! May contain wit, candor, and somewhere from 52 to 8127 walruses.
Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
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2019-08-27, 06:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not saying it's never been done in works of fiction before, just that there's been a trend in popular media lately (i.e. last decade or two) glorifying "dark and edgy" and it's been overdone to the point that there seem to be works where every character of any prominence is just varying shades of "evil a-hole".
Even then, Vader never really eclipsed Luke, Leia, Han and the rest. There were awesome heroes matched up against a badass villain. Same deal with Loki vs. Avengers, it was the first time in the MCU there had been that much of a crossover. That said, the MCU overdid Loki to the point that his adoring fandom started to excuse his every move just because he was pretty and charismatic (sounds a lot like Tarquin, really).
IMO, the trend just seems to be overdone now to the point that Infinity War wasSpoilerbasically nothing but Thanos nigh-effortlessly curbstomping everybody for nearly three hours straight, even though yes, I know it was all intended as setup for Endgame.
Exactly my point; fans and works of fiction are failing to compartmentalize and letting "OMG so cool!" override the understanding that villainous characters are hateful a-holes at heart. I have to say I'm glad that the Giant is capable of making characters compelling while still inescapably demonstrating that being evil is not actually a cool thing.I prepared Explosive Runes before writing this signature.
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2019-08-27, 06:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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2019-08-27, 06:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sure...
This seems more like a cyclic thing to me, the public gets bored of shiny-perfect heroes and so starts favoring anti-heroes and gritty settings, the popularity of which spawns more and more cynical works until the public find those dim and cliché and starts reading more and more idealistic works, rinse, repeat and adjust for current socio-political mood.
Well he is the movies's (vilain) protagonist, so it only makes sense.Forum Wisdom
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2019-08-27, 07:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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So, um... I don't recall the bet that Loki and Hel were discussing. Can someone enlighten me, perhaps a quick summary or a reference to the particular strip(s) in question?
(and I registered just to ask about that!)Just pretend there's something witty and/or profound, here. Makes things easier on all of us.
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2019-08-27, 07:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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The heroes don't have to be "shiny-perfect", the difference is that they've lately either been made disproportionately crappy jerkass nominal-protagonists or sometimes just non-existent to focus on these tropes instead.
As for a cycle, it's been a pretty prolonged swing of "dark and edgy" one-upmanship for a while now, which pretty much dates straight back to the cultural shock of 9/11, at least in the Western context.
If a hero did what Thanos did in Infinity War, they would have been labelled a Mary Sue far and wide and the movie would have been lambasted as an utterly boring snoozefest. But no, the fandom reaction seems to be "he's so cool" and excusing his "kill half of everything" genocidal plan for some warped idea of environmental protection as a result.
Anyways, like I first said, I digress. Back to dozens of pages of debate over random OotS plot minutiae?I prepared Explosive Runes before writing this signature.
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2019-08-27, 07:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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The bet is essentially between Hel and Thor, as brokered by Loki, though it arguably applies to all gods due to affecting all dwarves.
Hel loses the ability to make clerics among the living, but gets default access to all dwarven souls. There is an exception for those who die with honor.
Thor gains and loses nothing, but needs to compare how many souls he has versus the amount Hel gets, and then the one with more souls wins something (possibly a portion of the souls obtained).An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
See my extended signature here! May contain wit, candor, and somewhere from 52 to 8127 walruses.
Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
Blue is irony and sarcasm
"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
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