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2020-03-17, 11:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
I'm a few days late to this, but ...
All of the links to the Patreon post go to the top of the page. And it's a looong page. Nothing we can do about either of those things, but ...
Would it be possible to borrow a convention from Ask a Manager, adding something like "(question 20 at the link)" to the link text, so that once you arrive on the page you at least know where to look? I know it's clunky, and I'm not sure exactly how it would fit in with the Index, but since the Index's purpose is to find a particular quote, I think it would be really useful.I'm pretty much the opposite of concise. If I fail to get to the point, please ask me and I'm happy to (attempt to) clarify.
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2020-03-18, 01:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Last edited by Jasdoif; 2020-03-20 at 01:57 AM.
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2020-03-18, 04:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
I'm not actually sure what you mean by that. Do you mean that (a) you feel the quotations you have included in each entry should be sufficient without having to follow the links (eg. ""I 100% fully expect to continue writing after OOTS is finished....What form that writing takes is still uncertain."?)
Or that (b) you have included enough of the original question in the entry titles/text, that a reader following the link should be easily able to find where the relevant quote is located?
My point is that as an end-user, once these quotes are all moved into their relevant sections in the Index, if I want to find exactly what the Giant said about X, and I follow a link to a page of 30-odd answers, it would really help to know which of them contains the quote I'm looking for. It's going to be much easier to scan the question numbers while scrolling, than to look for key words in the text. For example the quote you have added to the entry on "The Story is Still (sort of)Evolving" comes from question 2 at the link, while the one added to the "Miko's Fight" entry comes from question 21. Yes, a reader could read each question to determine if it is the one they are looking for, or do a search, but it's going to be a lot easier if they know to scroll down to question 21.
Sorry to do this in the middle of the update cycle, I've been away for a bit and hadn't seen the proposed entries until now.I'm pretty much the opposite of concise. If I fail to get to the point, please ask me and I'm happy to (attempt to) clarify.
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2020-03-18, 08:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
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2020-03-18, 10:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
That was my intent, at the very least....
So you're thinking...like, superscript question numbers at the end of the links?
🍌Roy's Boots are Intentionally Misproportioned(#4)
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2020-03-18, 10:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
I too would prefer question-number citations.
Stop using good evidence and logic that makes sense to refute points, that's my job
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2020-03-18, 10:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
I'm pretty much the opposite of concise. If I fail to get to the point, please ask me and I'm happy to (attempt to) clarify.
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2020-03-18, 10:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
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2020-03-19, 08:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Perfect, thank you!
ETA: And, as someone who did minor corrections on the transcript of the interview, I agree that it should have relevant parts pulled out and indexed, probably with timestamps rather than question numbers ... at some point. I know nobody's volunteering just yet. Still deciding if I have the time myself.Last edited by theangelJean; 2020-03-19 at 08:48 AM.
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2020-03-19, 08:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Two suggestions:
- "OOTS won't be remastered" shouldn't be its own entry, but just a "see also" next to the older "see also" with "What Bothers the Giant about Early Strips' Art".
- I'm not keen on "On What a Plot Point is Not(#29)", because it doesn't say much about the topic. From the perspective of an Index user who wants to find a quote that answers a question on the forum, it would make more sense to phrase it along the lines of "On Elan's parents' marriage as a (non-)plot point", or similar.
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2020-03-19, 10:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
I dunno...if the Giant's been asked about remastering multiple times, to the point of having a section on it in the commentary of the Dungeon Crawlin' Fools PDF like he says, it's likely more useful to have it as its own entry rather than added under another...what's everyone else think?
Well, the answer doesn't say much about the topic either, that's kinda why I went with what it did say much about. But okay, how about "On How Elan's Parents' Marriage Is Not a Plot Point"?FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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2020-03-19, 10:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
I actually think the new quote works better as a separate entry, and the second link on the "What Bothers the Giant about the Older Strips Art" would work better as an addition to this one (eg. as a qualifier about maybe "cleaning up a few mouths here and there" being a possibility) rather than where it currently is.
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2020-03-19, 05:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Well then, since waiting for the last minute only goes so far.....
🍌On How Elan's Parents' Marriage Is Not a Plot Point(#29)
"I don't feel that it's something that necessarily demands a more specific on-panel answer than that."#1193 2020/03/01 🍌Order of the Stick Won't Be Remastered(#8)
"...it is what it is, in all its deeply flawed glory." See also here ("I could see myself doing clean-up on the odd mouth here or there, but probably not a full redraw").#1193 2020/03/01 FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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2020-03-19, 08:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
For the record, "On How Elan's Parents' Marriage Is Not a Plot Point" and the update to "The MitD Reveal is a Crucial Part of the Story" both received a single PM.
Items up for voting:
🍌An Order of the Stick Animated Series?(#9)
"It's not a thing I'm pursuing at this time."#1193 2020/03/01 🍌Durkon was Never Imagined as Staying Dead(#19)
"I'm not sure what the point of doing that might have been, but it wouldn't have helped me tell the story I was telling."#1193 2020/03/01 🍌The Giant on Future Projects(#10)
"I 100% fully expect to continue writing after OOTS is finished....What form that writing takes is still uncertain."#1193 2020/03/01
- Please bold your yes/no/abstain votes, it'll make it easier for me to notice when I go through and count everything.
- To be clear, a post without explicit "no" votes will be treated as implicit "no" votes for unreferenced items.
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- Please avoid discussing the quotes themselves, outside of giving an explanation for your vote in the same post as your vote. This'll make it easier to catch up after the vote, if a new quote comes along while we're still voting.
- Per Rule F4, inclusion by vote requires a quote to have two more votes in favor than votes against.
Voting will be open until March 22st, 9PM EDT.
The other twenty entries will go into the Index after the vote is concluded.Last edited by Jasdoif; 2020-03-19 at 08:30 PM. Reason: That's what happens when an entry gets retitled after the PM comes in, I suppose....
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2020-03-20, 01:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Ooh, a vote! I haven't been around for a vote for a while (if ever).
Yes to all.I'm pretty much the opposite of concise. If I fail to get to the point, please ask me and I'm happy to (attempt to) clarify.
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2020-03-20, 02:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
I really just want to praise the banana emotes that are there along with the entries, but since I'm here I might as well vote to include all three, too.
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2020-03-20, 04:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Animated series: Yes.
Durkon staying dead: Yes.
Future projects: No. I fell like it isn't relevant to the Order of the Stick.Forum Wisdom
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2020-03-20, 07:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
No to all
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2020-03-20, 08:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
No to all.
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2020-03-20, 09:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Yes to all.
Stop using good evidence and logic that makes sense to refute points, that's my job
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2020-03-20, 10:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Yes, that's what I would have proposed if you hadn't beaten me to it.
On to the votes:
Animated series: Yes.
Durkon staying dead: Yes.
Future projects: Yes. I was opposed at first, but upon checking, Rule B says: "The Index is for collecting only quotes that have to do with the Order of the Stick comic or other fiction works by Rich Burlew."DM in Mummy's Mask I, II, III | Keshkaru and Ozkrak in Extinction Curse | Marzena in Age of Worms | Elrembriel in Wrath of the Righteous | Gurmok in Nightmare in Katapesh | DM in Catacombs of Ravenloft Avatar courtesy of Neoseph7
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2020-03-20, 11:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
My vote is yes for all three.
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2020-03-20, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
I vote yes to all three.
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2020-03-20, 11:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Yes to all three.
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2020-03-20, 04:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Animated series: Yes.
Durkon staying dead: Yes.
Future projects: No.
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2020-03-20, 08:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Yes to all.
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2020-03-21, 01:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Yes to all.
also, typo: deadline is March 22st
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2020-03-22, 08:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Okay.
- An Order of the Stick Animated Series? passed; 11 in favor, 3 against.
- Durkon was Never Imagined as Staying Dead passed; 11 in favor, 3 against.
- The Giant on Future Projects passed; 9 in favor, 5 against.
Spoiler: Voting ResultsEntry Yes Votes No Votes Voters Animated Series 11 3 Yes Votes: theangelJean, pearl jam, Fyraltari, Personification, Gwynfrid, Joerg, mjp1050, 137ben, Reboot, Kish, Scizor
No Votes: Grey_Wolf_c, Jaxzan Proditor, Doug LampertDurkon Staying Dead 11 3 Yes Votes: theangelJean, pearl jam, Fyraltari, Personification, Gwynfrid, Joerg, mjp1050, 137ben, Reboot, Kish, Scizor
No Votes: Grey_Wolf_c, Jaxzan Proditor, Doug LampertFuture Projects 9 5 Yes Votes: theangelJean, pearl jam, Personification, Gwynfrid, Joerg, mjp1050, 137ben, Kish, Scizor
No Votes: Fyraltari, Grey_Wolf_c, Jaxzan Proditor, Doug Lampert, Reboot
Voter Animated Series Durkon Staying Dead Future Projects theangelJean pearl jam Fyraltari Grey_Wolf_c Jaxzan Proditor Doug Lampert Personification Gwynfrid Joerg mjp1050 137ben Reboot Kish Scizor
The Index has been updated.
...and it looks like having twenty-three entries in the Latest Updates table pushed it back to needing three pages for the entries o_oFeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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2020-03-23, 12:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Oh, interesting.
In the Art section, the Giant says that he doesn't want to show the titles of the strips because he considers them to be "bonus jokes."
But the titles are shown at the bottom of the page now. I wonder what changed?
Well, obviously his mind's changed. I'm wondering what the reason is.The Everyman's Guide to Taking Up Arms - A Guide to Fighters
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